Shadi Hamid & Damir Marusic
Wisdom of Crowds
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Jul 10, 2026
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Ross Douthat on Decadence, Wokeness, and UFOs 02.06.2021 52:02
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit wisdomofcrowds.live “What fascinates and terrifies us about the Roman Empire is not that it finally went smash,” W. H. Auden once wrote, but rather that “it managed to last for four centuries without creativity, warmth, or hope.” In his latest book , The Decadent Society , Ross Douthat suggests contemporary America may be in a similar...
Episode 60: Sohrab Ahmari on Liberalism, Tradition and "Political Catholicism" 25.05.2021 44:32
An Iranian-born immigrant, Sohrab Ahmari has become one of America's most prominent and controversial Catholic commentators. His new book , The Unbroken Thread: Discovering the Wisdom of Tradition in an Age of Chaos, asks us to rethink our understanding of freedom and choice—and the fact that we have too much of it. What does it mean to be a "political Catholic"? What is the value of a state-impos...
Episode 59: Israel, Palestine, and the Problem of Morality 20.05.2021 1:32:16
What do Shadi and Damir's divergent responses to the Gaza crisis tell us about questions of morality, idealism, and power? Damir presses Shadi on his recent commentary about Israel's treatment of the Palestinians—and the line between analysis and polemics. Shadi argues the Middle East still matters—and that it's in America's national interest to be moral. Damir counters by saying that it is the jo...
Episode 57: Can Islam Be Liberal? 02.05.2021 1:08:21
The liberal idea arose partly as a response to the religious wars of 17th-century Europe. Could something similar occur in the Islamic world today? Mustafa Akyol thinks so—and his new book Reopening Muslim Minds offers a fascinating and forthright case for reinterpreting Islamic history and revisiting Islamic law. Mustafa joined Shadi and Damir to talk about what inspired the book, starting with...
Episode 55: The World According to Glenn Greenwald 17.04.2021 1:03:02
The journalist, author, and firebrand Glenn Greenwald joins Shadi and Damir for a two-part episode ranging from Glenn's investigative work in Brazil to his increasingly contentious relationship with the liberal establishment in America. In part one, Glenn talks about the corruption case at the center of his new book, why respectable middle-class people supported an authoritarian bigot, and how liv...
Episode 54: America's Exceptional Resilience 12.04.2021 54:02
Damir and Shadi pull back the curtain on the thought process behind Damir's latest essay. The central question: If Europe's social democracies offer far more support to their citizens, why has America weathered both the Great Recession and Covid-19 pandemic better than the European Union? Required Reading: "Selfishness and American Resilience," by Damir Marusic ( Wisdom of Crowds ) "Janet Yellen a...
Episode 52: Who Counts As "The People"? 24.03.2021 1:05:44
On today's show, Jason Willick of the Wall Street Journal's Editorial Page stops by to discuss all things representation: Does the filibuster still serve a beneficial purpose? How can we balance both rural and urban interests? Should representatives mirror their voters' preferences or rely on their personal judgment? And how does the rise of Big Tech factor into all this? Required Reading: The Po...
Episode 51: Civility and Consensus Are Overrated 13.03.2021 1:19:24
Too many commentators today want a "return to civility" in political discourse. Osita Nwanevu, a staff writer at The New Republic , and Samuel Kimbriel, a political philosopher, think that's misguided—rather than ignoring our fundamental disagreements, we should be arguing about them much more honestly. This episode's example: Osita's proposal to abolish the U.S. Constitution. Required Reading: Fr...
Episode 50: Islam, Keto, and the Problem of Evil 06.03.2021 52:10
In another sprawling episode, Shadi and Damir talk about Germany's decision to surveil one of its leading political parties and what this says about modern liberalism. They also discuss Shadi's Islam-as-Keto metaphor, the EU's legitimacy problem, and how theodicy relates to democracy. Required Reading : “Germany Places Far-Right AfD Party Under Surveillance for Extremism,” by Katrin Bennhold ( New...
Episode 48: Who Are the Real Realists? 19.02.2021 1:04:14
Was Barack Obama America's last "realist" president? Was he even a realist at all? Emma Ashford of the Atlantic Council joins Shadi and Damir to answer these questions and more. They also discuss democracy promotion, whether to confront China, and why Shadi supported Bernie's candidacy even though Shadi is an interventionist. Required Reading: "Reality Check #1: Build cooperation cycles, not secur...
Episode 47: The Sources of Our Discontent 13.02.2021 58:01
What is driving our current political upheaval? Shadi and Damir discuss a few different theories including the decline of religion, the absence of an aristocracy, and, crucially, modern America's obsession with dogs. Required Reading: " The Weimarization of the American Republic, " by Aaron Sibarium ( American Purpose ) " Reflections on What's to Come ," by Shadi Hamid (Wisdom of Crowds) " The Dea...
Episode 46: How Big is the White Supremacist Threat? 06.02.2021 1:15:11
New York Times justice reporter Katie Benner joins the show to talk about January 6, the FBI and DOJ response, the limits of 9/11 comparisons, and if the threat posed by right-wing militias is overstated. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wisdomofcrowds.live/subscribe
Episode 45: The Game Stops Now 28.01.2021 1:03:14
Shadi regrets not investing in GameStop. Damir thinks that once you say democracy must be saved from the masses, protecting Wall Street from the retail-investing crowds is the next logical step. Finally, does Shadi still consider himself a progressive? Required Reading: The Tolerance Dilemma Joker and Our Leaderless Future Locke's essay on toleration This is a public episode. If you'd like to disc...
Episode 44: Fantasy and Reality in Biden's America 21.01.2021 1:13:39
Hours into the Biden administration, Shadi and Damir sit down with author Bruno Maçães to talk about Trump, January 6, the future of world order, and the sources of American exceptionalism. Reading List: Bruno on Substack . History Has Begun: The Birth of a New America , by Bruno Maçães (Oxford University Press) " The Roleplaying Coup ," by Bruno Maçães ( City Journal ) This is a public episode. I...
Episode 43: Mending What's Torn 14.01.2021 1:40:45
Is 1/6 our new 9/11? Are we in danger of making decisions in the heat of the moment that we will come to regret? Is the United States splitting apart fatally? And what will there after COVID be like? Megan McArdle, the person most responsible for the invention of Wisdom of Crowds, joins Shadi and Damir to chew over our post-insurrection reality. Reading List: " Why we should be frightened by tech...
Episode 42: The Darkness and the Light 09.01.2021 1:02:37
Ben Judah joins Shadi and Damir for a first attempt at digesting what happened this week in Washington. Was it a coup attempt? Are we at a moment of catharsis where the country can start to rebuild? Or are we in for even more darkness? Reading List: " Japanese Lessons for the American Coup ," by Noah Smith " The Weimarization of the American Republic ," by Aaron Sibarium This is a public episode....
Episode 41: Falling Down the Rabbit Hole 19.12.2020 55:51
A wide-ranging episode: a day or so after Damir's birthday, Shadi discusses his longest bout of self-isolation ever, Damir talks about Teddy Roosevelt and how enlightened views on slavery were completely compatible with that old-timey colonial racism. Plus national stereotypes, arranged marriages, and Domino's Pizza! Reading List: A tweet by (Captain) David Ryan. Shadi on Riada Akyol's podcast . D...
Episode 40: The Death of Liberal Democracy Won't Be Televised 11.12.2020 1:41:05
Andrew Sullivan joins Shadi and Damir to try to put the last four years of Trump into some kind of perspective. Was he stopped or did he succeed? Is he a symptom or a source of decay—or both? Is our republic doomed, or will things just go back to normal? And what's the proper role of a writer and intellectual in troubled times: to analyze or be engaged? This is a public episode. If you'd like to d...
Episode 39: The Cultural Roots of Coping with COVID (Live) 07.12.2020 54:51
On Friday, December 4, 2020, Shadi and Damir went live on Periscope—Damir from Croatia, Shadi from DC. On their minds: how different cultures react, deal with, and adapt to COVID, how even vaccination is becoming a partisan issue in the United States, and how to think about the state of exception in democratic societies. Check out the video on YouTube: https://youtu.be/l8elM2Bq7TM This is a public...
Episode 37: An Optimistic Take on the 2020 Vote 05.11.2020 56:47
Shadi and Damir get together after a long night of watching the results come in from the 2020 Presidential elections and take stock of where they stand. You'll never guess who's the optimist. Reading List: " Everything in its Right Place ," by Radiohead (Kid A) This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wisdomofcrowds.live/...
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