Patrick Oliver Jones

Why I‘ll Never Make It

Arts EN ↓ 412 episodes

The actor’s journey is one of occasional highs and frequent lows. It is a path riddled with self-doubt and frustration as we question our career choices, wondering if we’ll ever really ”make it.” But it is those few moments of glory on stage or screen that can sustain us through all the setbacks and challenges. On this award-winning podcast, New York actor Patrick Oliver Jones invites fellow creatives to share three stories that offer a behind-the-scenes look at the creative life rarely seen in the glitz and glam of this industry. These conversations remind us we’re not alone in this often bum...

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Patrick Oliver Jones

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Arts

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whyillnevermakeit.com

Latest episode

Jul 3, 2026

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Episodes

Hispanic Heritage Month - Jaime Lozano, Musical Theater Composer 16.09.2020

For the next few weeks WINMI is going to be highlighting some amazing Hispanic artists, ranging from composers and dancers to actors and singers. And it's all in honor of National Hispanic Heritage Month.  In addition to these interviews I’ll be showcasing important creatives in Hispanic history. It’ll be a chance for us to learn about the wonderful artists who have made such an impact not only in...

You Too Can Be an #ArtsHero with Carson Elrod and Brooke Ishibashi 09.09.2020

Mid-March of this year was a uniquely devastating time for theater and the arts industry as a whole. Broadway and Off-Broadway here in New York as well as theaters all around the country began to close for what they thought would be a possible one-month shut down.  At the time playwright Lynn Nottage tweeted: “Emotionally and financially preparing for theaters across the country to be shut down. M...

FINAL FIVE: Alex Pires 04.09.2020

After our conversation on the previous episode, Alex answers the Final Five. He shares his love of Christopher Nolan movies and his dream to be on Law & Order: SVU as well as what he learned from Will Smith and Michelle Obama. Check out Alex's web series: P's in a Pod       ----------      The time and expense needed to bring these guests and conversations to you each week is sometimes challenging...

Alex Pires - Actor and Writer of the Comedy Web Series P’s in a Pod 02.09.2020

The process of getting an idea, a story from conception to production to finally being onstage or onscreen can be a rather lengthy process. Hamilton took seven years and La La Land was almost nine. Alex Pires is another one of those with plenty of ideas. He’s an actor who came to NYC with a mission to not only act but to write as well. But as we know having the idea is just the first step on a lon...

WINMI Recommends: The Tony Howell Podcast 31.08.2020

For the second month in a row Why I’ll Never Make It goes outside its own podcast walls to recommend another podcaster doing great work in the arts or beyond. The first one was The Ensemblist as part of the episode with Mo Brady. And this month features a recommendation of another one inside the creative arts as well as a former WINMI guest: The Tony Howell Podcast. Tony is a former actor and sing...

FINAL FIVE: Bart Shatto 28.08.2020

After our conversation on the previous episode, Bart Shatto answers the Final Five. He shares his broadcasting aspirations and his dream to do all the roles I've done as well as what he learned from Albert Einstein and Booker T. Washington. Also, check out his latest project, coming up in October, the 2020 New Works Virtual Festival. Twenty plays in seven days! Everything from full-length plays an...

Bart Shatto - Broadway Veteran on Maintaining Creativity and Artistic Power 26.08.2020

Broadway is no cure against challenges or setbacks. Bart Shatto has experienced the joys and the hardships of a life in theater, both personally and professionally. He gives an open and vulnerable look at how this business can create wonderful moments and powerful lessons. Bart particularly shares his time with WAR PAINT, playing opposite Patti LuPone, as well as being in the cast of Tom Kitt's SU...

FINAL FIVE: Jason Odell Williams 21.08.2020

Thanks for coming back to join me and Jason Odell Williams for the final five! This is a bonus episode to the conversation we had previously, covering topics and five specific questions we didn’t address on the last episode. Today, Jason talks about how his teachers inspired him and how he's still learning to process and handle criticism and feedback.  Take the survey & join the WINMI newsletter -...

Jason Odell Williams - Playwright and Producer Walking the Line Between Stage and Screen 19.08.2020

Jason Odell Williams is an award-winning playwright and Emmy-nominated television producer. But his first love was acting...until it wasn't. In this episode he shares that journey from saying the words to writing them. We specifically talk about his plays Handle With Care and Church & State, both of which were produced by his wife (and former WINMI guest) Charlotte Cohn. He opens up about his diff...

FINAL FIVE: Eric Jordan Young 14.08.2020

Well, here we are at the Final Five questions, a bonus episode to our previous conversation. Eric is back and shares his passion for branding and being a stylist. He also mentions what distinguishes Gayle King and why he'd love to pick her brain as well as the two distinct life lessons he learned from his parents. Do you have other ideas for Final Five questions? Let me know at winmipodcast.com.  ...

Eric Jordan Young - Broadway Actor and Singer on the Importance of Letting the Work Inspire You 12.08.2020

During his years in New York City, Eric Jordan Young bounced around from Broadway productions and national tours to regional shows and concerts. According to most performers, he was living the dream. But he wanted something else, we wanted something more. So Eric branched out into his own endeavors, from a solo recording album to a one-man tribute to Sammy Davis, Jr. Along the way he met some chal...

FINAL FIVE: David Ruttura 07.08.2020

After our conversation on the previous episode, David answers the Final Five. He shares his political aspirations, what he's learned from Broadway directors as well as where the best ideas come from. Do you have other questions you'd like to ask? Let me know at winmipodcast.com and fill out the survey.      ----------      The time and expense needed to bring these guests and conversations to you...

David Ruttura - Broadway’s Associate Director of Plays and Musicals Cuts Loose 05.08.2020

David and I first met last year as he directed the 90-minute version of FOOTLOOSE on Norwegian Cruise Line. But In New York, he spends his time working with some of the best directors on Broadway from SCHOOL OF ROCK and BEAUTIFUL to LOMBARDI and NETWORK (starring Bryan Cranston). As assistant director, I ask what's kept him from being In the top spot as well as what he think of cruise ship product...

FINAL FIVE: Mo Brady 31.07.2020

Thanks for coming back to join me and Mo for the final five! This is a bonus conversation covering topics and five specific questions we didn’t address on the last episode. Today, Mo talks about his love of NEXT TO NORMAL and how Susan Blackwell from TITLE OF SHOW inspires him.    Don't forget to check out all the offers and resources available to you through WINMI: resources.winmipodcast.com    F...

Mo Brady - Broadway Actor/Podcaster Advocating and Supporting the Ensemblist Community 29.07.2020

Co-creator of The Ensemblist podcast and blog shares his love of theater, especially for those out of the spotlight and in the ensemble. Mo Brady grew up building sets and imagining a life on the stage. After finally getting his Broadway debut, two other more personal roles came his way: husband and father. But he still manages to keep up the podcasting and working on the communications team at Br...

Erin Cronican (Part 2) - Taking Theater Online and Streaming 24.07.2020

Instead of answering the Final Five questions, Erin Cronican continues our conversation on producing theater for the online world as well as some insight into her cooking habits (or lack thereof).   For now, COVID has ended live theater as we know it, and digital platforms have become a new home for actors and writers to reach audiences. So Erin shares how she's made it work and how Actors Equity...

Erin Cronican (Part 1) - Producing Theater in the Midst of COVID and Cancer 22.07.2020

Erin Cronican first came on the podcast back in Season One, sharing the ups and downs of making theater while still being an actor. Today, she faces new challenges of producing theater in the middle of a pandemic while also battling cancer once again. She opens up about her very real and present reality, just living 3 months at a time. Legacy has become very important to her, and through our conve...

FINAL FIVE: Chaz Wolcott Shares an Audition Story 17.07.2020

After our conversation on the previous episode, Chaz answers the Final Five. But first, he shares a hilarious audition story, then goes into his dream to work in physical therapy as well as how he learned the importance of preparation.  ----------      Jazz with Chaz - resources.winmipodcast.com Give your feedback - survey.winmipodcast.com Support WINMI - donate.winmipodcast.com Learn more about y...

Chaz Wolcott - Choreographer and Dancer Goes from NEWSIES to a New Normal 15.07.2020

Chaz started dancing at the age of 2in Gahanna, Ohio, and several years later he won the Gold Medal at the US Tap Championships and then won Bronze for the United States at the World Tap Dance Championships in Germany at the age of 14. From his BFA in Musical Theatre Dance to serving as dance captain in the American Spirit Dance Company, Chaz has led a busy life on his feet. And so it was that I f...

FINAL FIVE: Brian Lowdermilk 10.07.2020

After our conversation on the previous episode, Brian answers the Final Five, talking about software engineering and his dream to fix CHESS as well as lessons learned from Elizabeth Gilbert. Do you have other ideas for Final Five questions? Let me know at contact.winmipodcast.com.      ----------      The time and expense needed to bring these guests and conversations to you each week is sometimes...

Brian Lowdermilk - LGBTQ Composer and Songwriter from Kerrigan & Lowdermilk 08.07.2020

Featuring the third composer of the season, Brian Lowdermilk is a fantastic contemporary songwriter who's found a great deal of success from the internet. And in this day and age where not much theater is happening onstage, that bodes well for both Kerrigan & Lowdermilk.  Brian (they/them, she/her) shares the nuts and bolts of writing and collaborating on musicals (and is joined by Kait for part o...

FINAL FIVE: Roberto Araujo 03.07.2020

After our conversation on the previous episode, Roberto answers the Final Five. He shares his love of CBS Sunday Morning and his dream of playing the Baker in INTO THE WOODS as well as that the time he forgot to press the record button. Do you have other ideas for Final Five questions? Let me know at contact.winmipodcast.com.      ----------      The time and expense needed to bring these guests a...

Roberto Araujo - Actor, Photographer, and PLAYBILL’s Director of Video Production 01.07.2020

Season 4 Survey: https://winmipodcast.typeform.com/to/SdODaMU7 I first got to know Roberto when putting together the Season Three opener with Caroline Bowman. He had taken beautiful photos of her as she was preparing for the National Tour of Disney's FROZEN. I wanted him to come on the show to share his experiences and insights on making the best headshots possible. So get ready to take some notes...

FINAL FIVE: Cris Eli Blak 26.06.2020

After our conversation on the previous episode, Cris answers the Final Five. He shares why he'd love to teach and his dream to be in CATS as well as what he learned from Tyler Perry. Do you have other ideas for Final Five questions? Let me know at contact.winmipodcast.com.      ----------      The time and expense needed to bring these guests and conversations to you each week is sometimes challen...

Cris Eli Blak - African-American Actor, Playwright, Producer, and Poet Shares His Story 24.06.2020

In this longer episode than normal, I am honored and grateful to have this enormously gifted artist on the show. Cris Eli Blak may only be a senior in college, but he has wisdom far beyond his years to share with all of us. From thoughts on the current racial tensions gripping this country to how theater can be a voice in the midst of it, Cris shares from the heart and from his art. He opens up ab...

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