What’s the DEIL?

In this sentimental conversation, Natalie and Shanté talk to Immigration Law Professor Alberto M. Benítez - a mentor of Natalie’s from her time at George Washington Law School - about attitudes toward immigrant employees and the support they need. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Natalie and Shanté revisit the issue of burnout, challenging some common ways of discussing about the overwork epidemic. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In the final episode of our multi-part series with Charlene Brown, the Howlett Brown founder joins Natalie and Shanté to discuss how DEI professionals can best care for their well-being. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Charlene Brown joins Natalie and Shanté to discuss the traits of a successful international DEI practitioner in the third episode of our multi-part series on doing DEI across borders. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Charlene Brown joins Natalie and Shanté in the second episode of our series on doing DEI across borders. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Charlene Brown - Co-Founder and Managing Director of the UK-based people intelligence company Howlett Brown - joins Shanté and Natalie for the first episode of a multi-part series on doing DEI across borders. In this conversation, they challenge the myth that Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion work is mainly applicable to the US. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Lawyer, environmentalist, and community leader Rafael Langer-Osuna joins Natalie and Shanté on "What's the DEIL?" to discuss their perspective on allyship in the fifth and final installment of our allyship series. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Young Arts President Clive Chang discusses allyship and the arts in the fourth part of our allyship series. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Author, Ethics Counsel, and Founder of Atlas Book Club Bunmi Emenanjo joins Natalie and Shanté to discuss allyship, microaggressions, and agency. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Law firm partner Sarah Rathke joins Natalie and Shanté to discuss how allyship changes in relation to power, knowing when to be loud about your views, and more in this second episode of our allyship series. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In the first episode of our “Allyship” series, Shanté and Natalie discuss what allyship is, what it isn’t, and how it applies to the workplace. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Natalie and Shanté discuss a contemporary conundrum: CEOs report high concern about attracting talent, but low concern for attracting diverse talent. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Natalie and Shanté discuss how to support employees after distressing news events. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Natalie and Shanté talk recession fears, retention anxieties, and building the resilience needed to weather it all. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Natalie and Shanté talk with Strategist & Equity Advocate Diti Bhasin about neurodiversity's place in the DEI world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In the latest episode of “What’s the DEIL?”, Shanté and Natalie discuss the complicated concept of “professionalism”, and how it can be made more inclusive. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Mindfulness isn’t just a personal wellness practice—it’s a leadership skill that can transform how you approach DEI. In this episode of  What’s the Deal? , Shanté and Natalie explore how being present, self-aware, and intentional helps leaders navigate sensitive moments with empathy and clarity. Drawing on recent experiences at a DEI conference, they talk about the overwhelming scope of topic...

Middle managers often sit at the heart of your company’s culture, but are they equipped to lead on DEI? In this episode of What’s the DEIL?, Shanté and Natalie dig into why middle managers are the “linchpin” for turning DEI strategies into real, lasting change. Drawing from research and real-world experience, they explore how these leaders juggle managing up and down, navigate fear and uncertainty...

In this episode of What’s the DEIL?, Shanté and Natalie tackle one of the most underestimated elements of leadership—trust. Through real-world data from senior leader assessments, they reveal an uncomfortable truth: even leaders often lack confidence in their ability to deliver on DEI commitments. And when words and actions don’t align, the ripple effect erodes morale, engagement, and long-term cr...

In this episode of What’s the DEIL?, Shanté and Natalie are fired up, and for good reason. It’s time to have a real conversation about what it actually takes to lead DEI in an organization. Spoiler alert: Good intentions and lived experience alone aren’t enough. We unpack the all-too-common trend of companies placing well-meaning but under-resourced employees, often women of color, into DEI roles...

In this special follow-up to our three-part burnout series, Shanté and Natalie get real about walking the talk. After helping clients navigate burnout, boundaries, and team capacity, our own team hit a wall. We didn’t just talk about burnout—we lived it. From packed client weeks and cross-country trainings to the emotional toll of complex people work, the exhaustion crept in. We started noticing t...

Burnout isn’t new, but how we respond to it in 2025 has to be. In this final installment of our 3-part burnout series, Shante` and Natalie tackle what happens after you’ve identified burnout in yourself and your team. Now that you’ve named it, how do you lead through it? Especially in a world that keeps demanding more and more productivity, more output, more performance, without addressing the hum...

In Part 2 of our burnout series, we’re digging into a truth many leaders quietly carry: you can’t support your team if you’re running on empty. Shante and Natalie return to explore what burnout really looks like from the top. This isn’t about hustle culture or generic self-care tips—it’s a candid, real-world conversation about the emotional weight leaders carry, and why acknowledging that weight i...

Welcome to Part 1 of our powerful three-part series on burnout in the workplace and what it really means when people say they’re “quiet quitting.” Shanté and Natalie are getting cozy (literally—there’s a whole knitwear moment) to have an honest conversation about how burnout shows up, especially for historically excluded groups. This episode breaks down the three dimensions of burnout: 🧠 Energeti...

Natalie and Shanté return to tackle a question that’s been popping up across boardrooms, HR departments, and Slack messages: “Now what?” Post-2020, many organizations sprinted into action after George Floyd’s murder—launching DEI task forces, writing internal memos, and hosting webinars. But two and a half years later, leaders are fatigued, teams are skeptical, and progress feels stagnant. So what...