What the Hell is a Pastor

What the Hell is a Pastor?

Religion EN ↓ 537 episodes

Two current and former young pastors in small town ministry sit down each week to talk about the ups and downs of their jobs as they try to figure out what the hell it is they're supposed to be doing. Come for the behind-the-scenes look at ministry, stay for the theological asides.

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What the Hell is a Pastor

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Jun 11, 2026

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Bonus: News Blast with Ian 19.03.2020

In which Ian joins Ethan and Jo to discuss what the General Conference might do now that they've had to delay this year's General Conference, which had been scheduled for May, and then laugh a lot together.  Have thoughts about what we said or want to send us a reading list? Email us at wtheckisapastor@gmail.com.   Like Twitter? We do too, we guess. Find us under the handle @wthisapastor...

Coronavirus Special 16.03.2020

In this episode, you will hear the voices of people who lived in another time, a distant time, a quainter time: last Thursday.  Think of it as a time capsule. Ethan and Jo share their thoughts, frustrations, and aspirations for life in the time of COVID-19.  Have thoughts about what we said or want to send us a reading list? Email us at wtheckisapastor@gmail.com.   Like Twitter? We...

Minisode 7: The Bible and Truth in an Interfaith World 12.03.2020

In which Ethan and Jo continue their discussion about the Bible, wrestle with truth claims, and breathe a sigh of relief (which is only momentary-- there's another minisode to come out of this conversation).  Have thoughts about what we said or want to send us a reading list? Email us at wtheckisapastor@gmail.com. Like Twitter? We do too, we guess. Find us under the handle @wthisapastor. And...

The Sign of Jonah 09.03.2020

In which Jo and Ethan talk through their weeks and cover some difficult ground about oppression, harm, and safety in churches.  Have thoughts about what we said or want to send us a reading list? Email us at wtheckisapastor@gmail.com.   Like Twitter? We do too, we guess. Find us under the handle @wthisapastor.   And follow us and our larger network, Disruptive Disciples, on facebook...

Minisode 6: The Bible 05.03.2020

In which Ethan and Jo begin a multi-part mini about the Bible and its implications. 

Be Ye... Super? 02.03.2020

In which Jo and Ethan discuss the difficulties of being pastors who fuck up, like, a lot. Or at least, so their brains tell them.  The piece of writing that Jo was stretching for that inspired John Wesley's strangely warmed heart is the Preface to Romans by Martin Luther. You can read it for yourself and see if it sparks a fire in your heart: https://ccel.org/l/luther/romans/pref_romans.html

Minisode 5: Money 27.02.2020

In which Ethan and Jo talk about all the nuanced problems with Christianity and money. The books Ethan and Jo recommend are Christianity and the New Spirit of Capitalism by Kathyrn Tanner, Being Consumed by William Cavanaugh, and On Social Justice: St. Basil the Great from the Popular Patristics series . 

Love God, Seek Beauty 24.02.2020

In which Ethan and Jo, after some substantial internet difficulties, settle in to talk about their weeks, about Wesley's three simple rules, and the practicality of transcendentals. 

Minisode 4: Purity, Interrupted 20.02.2020

In which we include a discussion that didn't make it into the full episode on purity culture, plus some post-recording discussion. Content warning: we joke a lot about sex but also have a serious discussion about masturbation, porn, and what it means to view yourself as a person worthy of good sexual attention. If those topics don't put you in a healthy headspace, feel free to skip. You are a beau...

Ruining the Lord's Prayer: Discussing Purity Culture 17.02.2020

'Tis the season of Saint Valentine, listeners, which means an episode about purity culture! Content warning: we do talk about sex. And make sex jokes. Because in the face of an oppressive paradigm, you gotta laugh a little.  You can find The Liturgists' episode about purity culture here: https://theliturgists.com/podcast/2020/1/23/am-i-impure You can find You are Your Own by Jamie Lee Finch h...

Minisode 3: Worship 13.02.2020

In with Ethan and Jo talk about their understandings of worship and also their code names for minisodes. It's a delight. 

Anything's a Pastor Thing if You Try Hard Enough 10.02.2020

In which Jo and Ethan meander through their weeks and find themselves in a discussion about Wesley, worship, and the United Methodist Church. 

Minisode 2 06.02.2020

In which Ethan and Jo talk about whether God suffers, process theism, and liberation theology. 

Pastors who Work with Pastors 03.02.2020

In which Jo and Ethan talk about their relationships with nearby pastors. Also, Jo shares a story about dogs and we again discuss the culture of the UMC. The dog story is more fun. 

Minisode 1 30.01.2020

In which Ethan and Jo talk about their theological pet peeves. 

Speaking of Evil 27.01.2020

In which Ethan and Jo discuss what it means to call someone evil and how complicated the idea can be. A warning for our listeners who might not need to hear about suicide or homophobia right now, this episode gets into those topics. Feel free to come back when you're ready (or just listen to the first 15 minutes and then peace out).  Editor's note: M Barclay's prounouns are they/them and we a...

Difficult Meetings 20.01.2020

In which Ethan and Jo discuss their weeks, which both involved administrative council meetings and other interactions with congregants.  Correction corner: The Bonhoeffer essay that Ethan references towards the end of the podcast is The Church and the Jewish Question , not The Church and the Jewish Problem as Jo guessed. PDFs are out there for those who don't want to buy a collection of Bonho...

The Protocol, Part 2 13.01.2020

In which Ian joins Ethan and Jo to continue their conversations about the Protocol. Check out The Protocol, Part 1, if you haven't already! 

The Protocol, Part 1 13.01.2020

In which Ethan and Jo start by talking about their weeks, but are quickly taken in by a discussion about the Protocol of Reconciliation and Grace through Separation (you can see a quick and dirty infographic about it that Jo helped create here ). Things get heated and we earn our E for Explicit rating. 

Congregational Trauma 06.01.2020

In which Ethan and Jo talk about the Christmas season, their resolutions for the New Year, and the pitfalls of dealing with past congregational trauma. 

The Search for Vitality 31.12.2019

In which Ethan and Jo discuss yearly Christmas pageants and how to decide whether a ministry is vital or not.  In this week after yet another anti-Semitic attack has ravaged our Jewish siblings, we'd like to supplement our Anti-Semitism Warning with a twitter thread by the Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg: https://twitter.com/TheRaDR/status/1211624621591666689?s=20. Give her a follow on the social medi...

Twitter 23.12.2019

Come for the Guy Fieri story, stay for the twitter recs.  Jo is @aj_schwlf, Ethan is @PastorEShearer, and the podcast is @wthisapastor. Check out who we're following for our recommendations.  Here's the article that Ethan is referencing at the beginning. It's worth the read.  https://catapult.co/stories/love-peace-and-taco-grease-how-i-left-my-abusive-husband-and-found-guy-fieri-by-...

Salvation and Mental Health 16.12.2019

Settle in, friends. In this episode, Ethan and Jo talk about their weeks (weddings galore!) and then get into it, taking some theological side roads in order to land on the minefield that is a pastor's mental health. Listen, if it wasn't important, we wouldn't give our time and attention to it. As you listen to this, again, longer-than-usual episode, see if you can find the one grammatical mistake...

They Might Be Monks 09.12.2019

In which Ethan and Jo have a longer-than-usual conversation from the long-distant days of November about why Ethan thinks being a pastor is first and foremost a job and what it means to worship and tend to our spiritual selves. 

Pastors on Holiday 07.12.2019

In which Ethan, Jo, and special guest Ian discuss Romans, blog posts, boundaries, and their favorite sweaty seminary professor, with a touch of anti-capitalism thrown in for spice. 

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