Sara and Misasha

What Do You Mean By That?

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Join multi-ethnic co-hosts Sara + Misasha - two wickedly smart, heart-led, long-distance best friends - as they help folks talk smarter and think deeper about the world around us. Whether it's about science, history, current events, social justice, or more, their community consists of people who want to be better humans, to benefit all of us. We won't let the fire hose of information overwhelm us. Whether you're a seasoned expert or new to the work, you'll find yourself listening, learning, and feeling inspired to do something new after each episode. If you can never get enough knowledge but a...

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Sara and Misasha

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Society

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whatdoyoumeanbythat.com

Latest episode

Jun 30, 2026

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Episodes

101: The Power of Women's Rage with Soraya Chemaly 10.02.2021

If the fuming, seething feeling we sat with for weeks after the Capitol was stormed is any indication, feeling anger stinks and is bad for our bodies. But we as women have not been taught how to handle this feeling; in fact, we're often taught to shove anger down and away, while going on with our day, taking care of others.  This is why we're thrilled to be having a conversation with Soraya Chemal...

100: What Leads People to Help Others? Good vs Evil with Professor Ervin Staub 03.02.2021

The United States has been divided, and as shown with the storming of the Capitol Building in early 2021, the threat of violence is real. However, there is also the potential for a lot of good if we lean into our humanity. What do we do to help ourselves and our country? There was no better person to talk about this issue than Professor Ervin Staub, a professor emeritus of psychology and founding...

99: What Are White Women Thinking? With Jenna Arnold 27.01.2021

Uncomfortable question: Why can't we as women get behind policies that strengthen all women - not just the ones who are White - especially when the only ones who really benefit from White supremacy and the status quo are rich White men?  We bring you a conversation with one of the founders of the original Women's March and author of Raising Our Hands , Jenna Arnold, who spent years speaking with W...

98: Inauguration 2021 20.01.2021

We finally made it to the inauguration of President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris. This day is about a break with Trumpism, a break from the direction that our country has steadily been heading for the past nearly five years, and the fact that the majority (it's a small one, but still a majority) of our country rejected that ideal in November.   What this day is NOT though, is the end...

97: What You Need to Know About Conspiracy Theories with Professor Karen Douglas 13.01.2021

In case you didn't see the news, our US Capitol was overrun by a mob of insurgents at the beginning of 2021, largely spurred on by a conspiracy theory led by the American president that the 2020 US Election was rigged.  We figured now was a good time to talk about conspiracy theories - with an expert.  Today, we bring you an enlightening conversation with Professor Karen Douglas, a social psycholo...

96: What Side of History Will You Be On? 06.01.2021

We're finally done with 2020… but if 2020 taught us anything, it's that this period of time we are living through will be examined in the history books. Our grandkids will be asking us what life was like during the global pandemic, how strict our lockdowns were, and what we did to stand up against the racial and social injustices that were made so painfully clear during 2020.   So, as you're think...

95: BYE, 2020! 30.12.2020

We've been waiting to record this episode . . . basically the whole year, or at least since early March.  It's our annual wrap-up episode, except that just like everything else in 2020, it's not like how it was last year.  Let's let this year go in style - prepare to reflect, laugh, and cheer the New Year along with us. Have questions, comments, or concerns?  Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com W...

94: How to Talk With Your Family Over the Holidays 23.12.2020

We recently read a great piece on Medium called "Finally an Answer to Why So Many People Voted For Trump" -- which is a question we've been asking ourselves, too.   The author notes: "Trump is definitely not virtuous - but he doesn't pretend to be. He never claims to be morally superior to other people; he's shameless in all of his flaws, and it gives comfort to people in a world that's constantly...

93: Humanity in Words, with jessica Care moore 16.12.2020

There are people among us who elevate art to something beyond imitating life - to something that makes us think deeply, find the beauty in those moments both trivial and profound, and challenge the meaning in things that seem obvious.   Enter our guest today. We speak with internationally renowned poet and inspirational human being jessica Care moore about her latest collection, We Want Our Bodies...

92: Real Talk About Abortions with Dr. Jenn 09.12.2020

We spoke with lawyer Melissa Torres-Montoya of If/When/How last week about the legal landscape for women's reproductive rights with the appointment of Justice Barrett to the supreme court, the continued assault on Roe v. Wade , and all the other circumstances that add up to shape a woman's ability to have a child (affordable healthcare, housing, and more). But those are big issues that sometimes a...

91: The Abortion Landscape, and a New Lawyer's Network with Melissa Torres-Montoya 02.12.2020

Abortion.   Whether you're pro-choice or anti-choice, you're likely to have some emotions jolt through you when you hear the word.  However, with the appointment of conservative Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court and Roe v Wade related decisions on the docket, we want to make sure we all know about the abortion and reproductive rights landscape, which is way broader when you consider what it t...

90: Remembering Toni Morrison 25.11.2020

When's the last time you had a Toni Morrison book read to you?  Like, by Margaret Atwood, Tayari Jones (An American Marriage), Brit Bennett (The Vanishing Half), and more?   We are beyond thrilled to highlight a fantastic event put on by Literacy Partners - a Thanksgiving weekend reading of Toni Morrison's Song of Solomon, which is just as relevant now as it was back in 1977.   Have questions, com...

89: Police in the Emergency Room - The Less Discussed Angle of #defundthepolice 18.11.2020

Here's something we've never thought about before, because we've taken privacy law HIPAA at face value.  What happens with my private medical information if I'm in an emergency room of the hospital, and there is a police presence in that same emergency room? And importantly, how is this situation even worse for people who aren't as rich or White as some of us listening to this podcast? Today we're...

88: Fighting Both Hitler and Jim Crow: Honor Our BIPOC Veterans 11.11.2020

Who do you picture when you hear the word "veteran"? If you picture someone white, you're not alone. Today we spend some time sharing the military history and stories of marginalized groups, including Black Americans, Japanese Americans, Latinos, and Native Americans. These groups often were the most decorated in combat but faced segregation and disparate treatment while part of the active militar...

87: How to Be An Ally, Even When You (Still) Feel Overwhelmed 04.11.2020

It's the day after the election if you're listening to this as we roll episodes out. It's been One Heck Of A Year, and we want to give you this gift of breathwork and a reminder of how to be an ally when we are all still feeling overwhelmed by it all. This episode is dedicated to pushing through the discomfort, committing to the fight, and includes a special bonus at the end: an anti-racism breath...

86: Election Anxiety, with Dr. Sue Varma (Plus a special meditation) 28.10.2020

Are any of you feeling like we are - maybe a little anxious now seven months into COVID with various degrees of lockdown, with a very uncertain election layered on top of that? If you're listening to this live, we have one week until Nov 3 election day; we may have a week or several weeks more until we find out the results of that presidential election.   We are bringing you a few tools to cope wi...

85: Vote for Humanity 21.10.2020

If we want sponsorship, we must remain non-partisan and can't talk about political affiliation. We're here to say that we aren't seeking sponsorship on those terms, and we don't believe talking about voting for Biden in 2020 means we are partisan – we believe we are voting FOR HUMANITY. This may be an explicit episode, so if you've got kids who can't hear the f-bomb, maybe put your headphones on....

84: Truths About the US Prison System, with Marcus Bullock, CEO of Flikshop - Part 2 14.10.2020

In Episode 83, we met and heard the story of Marcus Bullock, who is currently a CEO, and a formerly incarcerated individual. The first part of the conversation painted the picture of his time entering and spent in prison - something we bet most of you hadn't heard firsthand about before. But here's the thing. 95% of incarcerated individuals DO make it out of prison, so how is the American system s...

83: Truths About the US Prison System, with Marcus Bullock, CEO of Flikshop - Part 1 07.10.2020

Have you ever had someone who has been incarcerated over for dinner, to learn about their story? Or, if you knew that someone was in prison, does that frighten you enough to stay away? Whatever you think about "law & order," 95% of incarcerated people do leave prison and rejoin society. What is being done to help support them, instead of making it more difficult to succeed post-incarceration?  If...

82: Living the "T" in LGBTQ – A Conversation with Nikole Parker and Jaime Jara 30.09.2020

With conversations about race being at the front of our minds, and being aware of the incredibly difficult and dangerous reality of being a Black transgender individual, we wanted to bring you a conversation with two people who live this reality. Jaime Jara is an old friend who is very public about the work she and her transgender daughter do for advocacy and normalizing identity, so we get to inc...

81: Motherhood So White? Concrete Steps We Can Take, with Nefertiti Austin 23.09.2020

Pop quiz: you're reading an article, and someone refers to "a stereotypical mother." What image comes to mind? We are betting that the answer is NOT a Black, single, adoptive mother of two young children - which is why we are grateful to bring you a conversation WITH someone who is exactly that. We are both mothers, and given that our show is called Dear White Women, chances are there are a number...

80: What Do We Do About Fashion's Racism Problem? With Hope McGrath 16.09.2020

Have you ever followed someone on Instagram just because of how their feed looks? And when you look at social media, and how people portray themselves, do you judge? Even quietly, to yourself? My dad always said not to get a facial piercing because people would judge; now imagine people of color who are judged by the color of their skin, their appearance, before they even have a chance to say a wo...

79: Beyond Ally to Everyday Activism, Featuring Miss Hawaii USA® 2020 Samantha Neyland 09.09.2020

We are tired. You are tired. We see it in the stats, we hear it in your stories. This wasn't necessarily the episode we planned to air this week, but it's one we hope you listen to - especially when you tell yourself that things feel too hard. We'll be interviewing the current reigning Miss Hawaii USA® 2020 - Samantha Neyland - about her Juneteenth activism and what it was like being the first Bla...

78: The Intersection Between the American Dream and White Supremacy: An Interview with Mia Birdsong 02.09.2020

Today we're chatting with Mia Birdsong, a woman whose TED talk has been viewed over 2 million times, and who can best be described as a bright light. She's also one of those people who shows you how to believe in true change, and what role you can play in doing that within your own spheres. Listen in to hear us talk about white supremacy, capitalism, trust circles, the role of community (hint: it'...

77: Bonus: Only Dresses with Pockets: The Story Behind Mrs. Jones 28.08.2020

When you work on Kanye's first album, then for Calvin Klein, and then in ethical kids' fashion, what's your natural next step? If you said designing your own (amazing) dresses, you'd be talking about the owner and creator of mrs. jones, Nichole Moss. This powerhouse woman thinks about EVERY detail of the clothes that she's designing, from who manufactures them, to the quality of the fabrics that s...

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