Tamler Sommers & David Pizarro
Very Bad Wizards
Very Bad Wizards is a podcast featuring a philosopher (Tamler Sommers) and a psychologist (David Pizarro), who share a love for ethics, pop culture, and cognitive science, and who have a marked inability to distinguish sacred from profane. Each podcast includes discussions of moral philosophy, recent work on moral psychology and neuroscience, and the overlap between the two.
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Tamler Sommers & David Pizarro
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Jun 30, 2026
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Episodes
Episode 286: Laugh and the World Laughs With You 11.06.2024 2:12:47
David and Tamler dive into the mysteries at the heart of Park Chan-wook's deeply disturbing masterpiece "Oldboy" (2003). An ordinary man, Oh Dae-su, is imprisoned for 15 years in an old, windowless hotel room. After being abruptly released Oh Dae-su embarks on a mission to discover why he was imprisoned and to get revenge on the man who did it. But does Oh Dae-su really want to know the answers? A...
Episode 285: On Culture and Agriculture 28.05.2024 1:25:44
It's an old-school episode as David and Tamler dive into some intriguing research on the origins of cultural differences. Two neighboring communities in communist China were assigned to be wheat farmers and rice farmers. Seventy years later, the people in the rice farming communities showed signs of being more collectivist, relational, and holistic than the people in the wheat farming communities....
Episode 284: Reel Choices 15.05.2024 1:22:34
David and Tamler choose an episode topic that will define the identity and meaning of the Very Bad Wizards podcast going forward – our top 3 existentialist movies. Plus, you're gonna be shocked to hear this, you might want to sit down, but there has been surprisingly little research on the metaphysics of puns. We look at a recent paper that remedies this appalling gap in the literature – and maybe...
Episode 283: When Elephants Podcast 30.04.2024 1:23:53
David and Tamler talk about Caitrin Keiper's wonderful sprawling essay on elephant life and society and the many philosophical questions surrounding these extraordinary creatures. What kind of mental states can we attribute to them? Do they have a kind of language? Are they moral? What are our moral duties to them? What accounts for the long-standing taboo against 'anthropomorphizing' elephants an...
Episode 282: Fearful Symmetry (Borges' "Death and the Compass") 16.04.2024 1:25:12
A Rabbi is found dead in a hotel room, stabbed in the chest. The room is filled with Kabbalah texts and a single page in an typewriter that reads "The first letter of the name has been written." The celebrated detective and "reasoning machine" Erik Lönnrot suspects a rabbinical explanation but is he seeing patterns that may not be there? David and Tamler get out their pipes, magnifying glasses, an...
Episode 281: Choose Your Fighter 26.03.2024 1:22:42
We dig into the biggest rivalry in Tamler's profession, analytic vs. continental philosophy. Are analytic philosophers truly the rigorous, precise, clear thinkers they take themselves to be? And is continental philosophy really just a bunch pretentious charlatans spouting French and German gibberish and writing obscure prose to mask the incoherence of their ideas? We look at a nice paper by Neil L...
Episode 280: Mad Masque (with Phil Ford and J.F. Martel) 12.03.2024 1:39:37
Phil Ford and J.F. Martel from the great "Weird Studies" podcast join us for a whirling discussion of Edgar Allan Poe's mesmerizing tale of decadence and disease "The Masque of the Red Death." We also talk about weird fiction more generally, why it's so suited to the short story genre, how it creates a mood that drips and bursts from the seam of the page. Plus David and Tamler in the opening segme...
Episode 279: The Greenhouses We Burned Along the Way (Lee Chang-dong's "Burning" Pt. 2) 27.02.2024 1:09:58
David and Tamler conclude their discussion of Lee Chang-dong's "Burning" – we talk about the hunger dance at twilight, Ben's greenhouse burning habit, Shin Hae-mi's mysterious disappearance, Lee Jong-su's clumsy and doomed quest to find out what really happened, and what to make of that final scene. Plus we choose the finalists for our Patreon listener selected episode.
Episode 278: Schrödinger's Everything (Lee Chang-dong's "Burning" Pt. 1) 13.02.2024 1:32:17
David and Tamler fall under the spell of Lee Chang-dong's 2018 masterpiece Burning , a movie where nothing is what it seems, or maybe it is. An alienated young man meets what seems like his dream girl from his small town, but she's about to leave for Africa. Will he take care of her cat? Is there a cat? When she comes back she's attached (maybe) to a slick rich guy played by Steven Yeun and then s...
Episode 277: The Merits of Buggery (Nagel's "Sexual Perversion") 30.01.2024 1:35:32
David and Tamler play the old hits – Thomas Nagel and sex robots. In the main segment we talk about Nagel's essay "Sexual Perversion", a surprising essay on many fronts (Sartre, erotic fiction, conceptual analysis, much more). What's the nature of sexual desires? Can we say that some sexual interactions are perversions? Which ones? Can we have a perverse form of a hunger? Plus, a new study examine...
Episode 276: Attention Please 16.01.2024 1:27:24
David and Tamler are back for the new year and one of our resolutions was to do more episodes on William James. Today we talk about his account of 'Attention' from his 1890 volume The Principles of Psychology – another remarkably prescient chapter that still feels more than relevant today. What is attention and how does it function in the mind? What accounts for the different ways that we attend...
Episode 275: The Ineffable Center (Borges' "The Aleph") 26.12.2023 1:34:16
An episode interesting from every point of view, we train our eyes on Jorge Luis Borges' "The Aleph." The first segment wins the kudos of the learned, the academician, the Hellenist, as we talk about the favorite things we saw this year. The second segment — baroque? decadent? the purified and fanatical cult of form? — dives into the philosophy, comedy, satire, and poignancy of this classic story....
Episode 274: Can I Get a Kidney Voucher? (with Vlad Chituc) 13.12.2023 1:35:02
RETURNING guest Vlad Chituc joins us for a wide-ranging discussion about donating his kidney to a stranger, the effective altruism movement, and his sexuality. Was EA's turn to 'long-termist' goals like preventing evil AI inevitable? Have they strayed too far from their Peter Singer/Jeremy Bentham inspired roots? And why won't David and Tamler donate their kidneys? Plus a new article in Nature Cl...
Episode 273: Ah. Ah. (Miyazaki's "Spirited Away") 29.11.2023 1:57:51
David and Tamler board the train for Hayao Miyazaki's mystical dreamy coming of age masterpiece Spirited Away . This is a true VBW deep dive. Plus a study by our secret crush suggests we may not be optimizing the value of our conversations. Mastroianni, A. M., Gilbert, D. T., Cooney, G., & Wilson, T. D. (2021). Do conversations end when people want them to?. Proceedings of the National Academy of...
Episode 272: Neigh Means Yay 15.11.2023 1:24:38
The morality of zoophilia has received shockingly little attention in contemporary ethical discourse…until now. David and Tamler break down the paper "Zoophilia is Morally Permissible" from the latest issue of The Journal of Controversial Ideas . We explore issues of harm, consent, and more… like a lot more. Then we talk about Robert Putnam's classic article "Bowling Alone" (the paper that led to...
Episode 271: Concept-Con 2023 13.11.2023 58:53
It's the first annual "Concept-Con" – a not at all cringe episode where David and Tamler apply the methods and rigor of analytic philosophy to dissect not one, not two, but four new concepts. We start out with a Gen-Z special "mid" and then after a break we analyze the concept "cool." After that we have two mystery concepts that we sprung on each other. Spoiler alert – David had never heard of Tam...
Episode 270: Take Me to the River (Blood Meridian, Pt. 3) 10.10.2023 1:43:26
David and Tamler conclude their three-part discussion of Cormac McCarthy's Blood Meridian. We talk about the Judge's coin trick by the fire and the question of the supernatural in the novel. Next we dive into the imbecile's "baptism" by the river, and then try to wrap our heads around the cryptic epilogue. Baffled at first, we ultimately arrive at the definitive interpretation of the epilogue's me...
Episode 269: Death Hilarious (Blood Meridian, Pt. 2) 10.10.2023 1:31:42
In part 2 of our journey into Cormac McCarthy's Blood Meridian , Tamler and David talk about the kid and his form of resistance to the judge's gleeful nihilism - does he (as the man) ultimately succumb at the end of the novel? We also discuss other notable members of the Glanton gang and go deep into several scenes, including the Comanche attack, Elrod's sad fate, and the tarot reading from the fa...
Episode 268: Blood Meridian, Part 1 12.09.2023 1:17:21
In part one of our two-part episode on Cormac McCarthy's blood-soaked phantasmagorical 1985 masterpiece Blood Meridian, David and Tamler talk about the historical sources of the novel, the cosmic questions the book poses, the capriciousness of the near-constant violence, and the ethical neutrality of McCarthy's prose. We also get into the religious imagery, the gnostic elements, and the judge – wh...
Episode 267: The Thickness of Reality 22.08.2023 1:12:52
David and Tamler return to the work of old favorite William James and argue about the 6th lecture (inspired by the French philosopher Henri Bergson) of his 1909 book "A Pluralistic Universe." James attacks the philosophical habit of elevating unchanging concepts over the continuous ever-changing flux that characterizes raw experience. Concepts, James argues, carves joints where there are none. But...
Episode 266: I Want to Half-Believe 08.08.2023 1:22:56
Last December, with Argentina minutes away from a World Cup championship, friend of the show Yoel texted David "congratulations." David was furious, and soon after (with less than 2 minutes left in extra time) France's Mbappe scored a game-tying goal to send the match into penalty kicks. (Argentina ended up winning or Yoel might have become 'former friend of the show.') David says he doesn't belie...
Episode 265: Kekulé (Oh Yeah!) 25.07.2023 1:20:23
The Summer of Cormac McCarthy continues – this time we dive into his one piece of non-fiction, the short essay "The Kekulé Problem." How does our unconscious mind solve problems that conscious deliberation can't crack? Why does it often work elliptically, in code, rather than giving us the answer directly in language? Is McCarthy right that the unconscious doesn't trust language because it's such...
[BONUS] Overton Windows Episode 1: Israel and Palestine 18.07.2023 1:08:52
A new mini-series with Tamler Sommers and Robert Wright on the range of politically acceptable discourse for a given topic and how this "Overton window" changes over time. This episode is available for free for everyone, the remaining episodes will appear at the Very Bad Wizards Patreon and Robert Wright's Nonzero Newsletter on Substack. 00:33 What is this new Overton Windows series about? 10:05 T...
Episode 264: The Rule You Follow (The Coen Brothers' "No Country for Old Men") 11.07.2023 2:10:50
David and Tamler dive into the Coen brothers' bleak and beautiful adaptation of Cormac McCarthy's 2005 novel "No Country for Old Men." What's the underlying philosophy that animates Anton Chigurh? Does he have a code of any kind, or is he just a ghostly symbol of human brutality and a pitiless indifferent universe? Does he represent a new kind of evil or is Sheriff Bell just getting old? What elem...
Episode 263: Free Yoel 27.06.2023 1:35:05
A VBW exclusive report! For years David and Tamler have been a little dismissive of fears about cancel culture in academia but now the SJWs have come for one of our own! We welcome back Yoel Inbar to talk about his experience applying for a position at UCLA psychology only to have his candidacy pulled at the last minute because of remarks he made on his podcast (!) about diversity statements. What...
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