Trey Kay and WVPB
Us & Them
We tell stories from the fault lines that separate Americans. Peabody Award-winning public radio producer Trey Kay listens to people on both sides of the divide.
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Oct 8, 2026
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Episodes
The Elephant in the (Class) Room: How I Survived Iraq and Vassar College 01.06.2017 31:41
After four years of commanding a tank in Iraq, David Carrell, a Republican from Texas, had the opportunity to study at a liberal college in the northeast. He tells Trey what he’s observed about Red and Blue America.
Gentrification: That Kumbayah Moment 20.05.2017 36:19
When a neighborhood transforms, newcomers can feel unwelcome, while longtime residents feel threatened. But is there a sweet spot when everyone in the community lives in harmony?
What I Learned About Empathy from a Textbook 24.04.2017 29:38
Empathy... it's a word we've heard a lot in the past year. But what is it? And do we need it? Trey explains what he learned about empathy from... a textbook!
Reasserting Femme Voice 05.04.2017 38:23
North Carolina repealed its notorious bathroom law, but not necessarily for the better. Transsexuals remain outside NC’s equal protection laws—whether in the bathroom or in the workplace. All of this has got me thinking about my friend Anne Kelly.
Love, the Ayatollah & Revolution 15.02.2017 27:24
Essi and Katie fell in love before the backdrop of the Iranian Revolution and growing antipathy between America and Ayatollah Khomeini. Despite many fantastic twists and dangerous turns, their love has triumphed over archenemies' hatred.
Coming Out of the Closet 25.01.2017 29:37
Where some Trump supporters have been loud and proud, others have remained in the shadows. With the new boss installed, it’s “olly olly in come free!” Trey speaks with Trump voters about their hopes, dreams and expectations.
Serious as a Heart Attack 14.12.2016 38:50
An Us and Them conversation turns ugly and Trey loses it. He becomes concerned about with his physical, mental and spiritual health.
Taking an Ass Whoopin’ 15.11.2016 17:25
The 2016 presidential campaign was one of the most brutal in America’s history. Trey was stunned by the outcome and is trying understand what the whole thing means. Are truth and bitter reality the new Us ? Have our news sources become Them ?
Hello Mary Lou... 21.05.2016 32:49
Mary Lou Bruner, who made headlines with her wild accusations about President Obama, is running for Texas State Board of Education. If elected, she’ll be responsible for guiding the nation’s second largest public school system. Could she influence the content of textbooks across the nation?
The Changing Face of Heroin 26.04.2016 39:36
Something has shifted in the way our society thinks and talks about heroin addicts these days. Could it be that smack users seem more like ‘us’ and less like ‘them’?
Heroin I - N'ganga Dimitri 22.03.2016 36:37
Dimitri Mugianis has an undying love for drug addicts. He's a former junkie who's been clean for a decade. Now he feels a calling to help other addicts -- "my people," he calls them -- by using unconventional “shamanistic” treatment methods.
Femme Voice 29.02.2016 46:15
Anne Kelly always felt like she was born into the wrong body. She began life as a man, but is now transitioning into a woman. She’s got the looking like a woman part down. It’s the sounding like a woman thing that’s harder than she expected.
Shack! 05.02.2016 33:02
In 1969, James “Shack” Harris became the first African American quarterback to break the color line in the NFL.
Trapped on the Turnpike 03.02.2016 28:52
How 27 hours of being snow-bound on the Pennsylvania Turnpike helps Trey file a report to the Keystone State’s “Office of Lessons Learned.”
The Refugee Trail with Scott Carrier 17.01.2016 33:27
Veteran journalist – or “cultural anthropologist” – Scott Carrier speaks with people fleeing war-torn Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and other countries as they seek refuge in Europe.
War on Christmas…Really? 21.12.2015 33:56
Some feel there’s an attack on this sacred holiday. Others are bothered that this religious holiday has blurred America’s church/state separation. But is this really a war?
Islamophobia 10.12.2015 26:17
With acts of terrorism in Paris and San Bernardino, some Americans are suspicious of Muslim neighbors and immigrants. Warranted fear or paranoia?
Atheism 19.11.2015 20:21
Would Americans vote for an atheist president? A recent poll says no way. In this episode, a social psychologist tells us why this might be.
Enemies 06.11.2015 19:04
Jesus said, “Love your enemies." Today’s politicians ask God to bless America, but in the same breath, they call their political opponents "enemies." Labels help us organize the world along fault lines, but is this the best policy? In a polarized America, is it possible to love our enemies?
Locked Up For Sodomy 15.10.2015 29:16
Not that long ago, you could get locked up for being gay. A West Virginia man tells Trey about being sent to a mental institution for violating the state’s sodomy laws.
A Confederate Reckoning 03.10.2015 52:37
Can we reconcile different versions of history? Two American foreign correspondents of color fly from Kenya to Louisiana to report on an unfinished civil war back home.
Strangers With Cameras In Appalachia 17.09.2015 51:32
A recent photo essay depicting Appalachians has stirred controversy in that region. Some locals feel violated when outsiders come into their communities snapping photos. Are these shutterbugs depicting reality or reinforcing stereotypes?
New Math 01.09.2015 32:54
When conservatives and liberals fight about school curriculum, the disagreements aren't just about science and history. Even math has been a battleground in the culture wars. Trey talks with historian Christopher Phillips.
Textbook Watchdogs 16.08.2015 29:50
Lots of American school districts have fierce fights over what kids should learn in school, but nobody fights like Texans. And no citizens have had a bigger impact on what goes into public school textbooks than Mel and Norma Gabler.
The Church Lady 31.07.2015 29:14
The Supreme Court says you can't have organized prayer in public schools. But most Americans don't agree with that call -- and some people are still finding ways to make sure public school children have a chance to hear about God.
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