Idelisse Malavé and Joanne Sandler
Two Old Bitches: Stories from Women who Reimagine, Reinvent and Rebel
Love your bitchy self! Join us – Idelisse Malavé and Joanne Sandler the Two Old Bitches (from New York City) – as we celebrate kick-ass, unstoppable women from around the world. Women over 50 tell us how they re-imagine their lives, their bodies, their relationships and their creativity as they go through huge transitions. The 87-year old former dance teacher who lived with Andy Warhol in the 1960s and became an accomplished painter in her 80s; the 79-year old Australian activist who left her country for 44 years and returned in her 60s to create a new love life and home; the 55-year old India...
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May 4, 2026
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SO5 Episode 09: Cynthia Madansky - Always Avant Garde 15.03.2020 37:45
Cynthia Madansky, 58, describes herself as a Jewish, queer filmmaker and artist. For TOB, she embodies what it means to live a creative life. The recognition she has received – a Fulbright, a Guggenheim, the Rome Prize and so much more – has not altered her commitment to a minimalist life where her art always comes first. She follows her curiosity, her politics, her aesthetic voice and her instin...
SO5 Episode 08: What Else Is There but Pleasure? 14.02.2020 25:55
What gives you joy, a sense of profound pleasure? What tickles your fancy and makes you feel like you're in the midst of a magic moment? The sources and varieties of pleasure for the women we interview never cease to enlighten and inspire us. What we love, especially, is the way the old bitches we talk to describe the deep pleasure they experience from what is easily available: laughing over nothi...
SO5 Episode 07: Chiemi Karasawa – Finding the Power in Sacred Reciprocity 31.12.2019 49:52
If you've seen Chiemi Karasawa's award-winning film " Elaine Stritch: Shoot Me ," you already know that Chiemi is a great storyteller. (If you haven't, put it at the top of your streaming queue!) Chiemi's story is one filled with magic, mettle and a very healthy dose of hilarity. She landed one amazing job after another upon graduating from college: as script supervisor for lauded directors like S...
SO5 Episode 06: Joanne's Obsession - An Unforgettable Story of Sexual Harassment at the United Nations 17.12.2019 28:21
TOB listeners probably know that co-host Joanne Sandler worked at the United Nations for nearly 20 years. One of the many UN stories that fascinated her was a famous sexual harassment case.: Catherine Claxton was a fairly junior UN staff member who brought charges against an Under-Secretary General for grabbing her in his office in 1988 and then blocking her career after she rebuffed him. Catherin...
S05 Episode 05: Julie Cajune – The Sum of Her Stories 02.12.2019 37:22
"Stories are the way that we make meaning. And so they're the primary vehicle for all human beings to make meaning of their life and to find their place and relationship with others. All of that is informed through story." Julie Cajune is an educator, cultural historian, artist and activist who believes that the challenges we face today "demand that which story nurtures: imagination, compassion, c...
SO5 Episode 04: Lucero Gonzalez – La Feminista Que Si Pudo (Version en español) 17.11.2019 53:22
"La única forma que tienes es transitar de tus sueños a tus deseos a la realidad." En este, el primer episodio de Two Old Bitches en español, Joanne y idelisse hablan con la fabulosa fotógrafa y activista Lucero Gonzalez. A los 72 años, combina su feminismo, su amor de la libertad y el placer, su arte, su raíces en Oaxaca y su profunda conexión con su familia y amistades en una miríada de proyec...
SO5 Episode 04: Lucero Gonzalez – The Feminist Who Could (English version) 17.11.2019 45:01
"Moving from dream to desire to reality." That describes the life of our magical friend, activist and photographer, Lucero Gonzalez. At 72, Lucero's feminism, her love of freedom and pleasure, her artistry, her Oaxacan roots, and her profound connection to family and friends all blend, beautifully, into an extraordinary range of creative and social justice initiatives that enlighten and challenge...
SO5 Episode 03: Tish and Snooky Bellomo – Aging Disgracefully (Founders/owners of Manic Panic) 01.11.2019 42:28
Just because we're older doesn't mean we can't have fun. WE always say we don't want to age gracefully. We want to age disgracefully! Sisters, punk rockers and "accidental entrepreneurs," Snooky and Tish Bellomo agree, "If you had told us back in 1977 that doing what we loved and sharing our unique style would influence music, art fashion and beauty for the next four decades, we would've thought y...
SO5 Episode 02: Debbie Zimmerman - Film with Feminism 26.09.2019 29:16
"I couldn't do film without feminism. And, I don't think I want to do the feminism without the film." The world needs much more of Debbie Zimmerman, the long-time Executive Director of Women Make Movies. Since 1983, Debbie has been the leading force in taking it from a grassroots production organization to the world's largest distribution outlet for films by and about women. Now, at 62, Debbie is...
SO5 Episode 01: Sandra Guzman - At the Feet of Her Elders 09.09.2019 41:04
"I am 54. I don't know what that means anymore. In my 20s and 30, when I thought about what 50 would feel like, I thought it was going to be old and cranky. And I'm coming together really nicely in my 50s. It feels wonderful to set boundaries, to know that I prefer banana pancakes." On the other side of 50, journalist, author and filmmaker Sandra Guzman still listens to her elders. Most notably, s...
S04 Episode 10: Mother's More Than a Day 10.05.2019 30:54
" Two of my heroes are mother and my grandmother…My mother taught me to be a woman. She was the strongest person I've ever met. And someday I'll be the woman she wants me to be " - Tracy Hyter-Suffern It's complicated. Mothers. They're sometimes cast as heroes and role models, often as victims or villains. In almost 40 conversations with other old bitches, mothers emerge as essential to the fabric...
SO4 Episode 09: Hrag Vartanian - Serious, Playful and Radical 19.04.2019 54:39
"I didn't want to brag but I did want to impress on you that I'm probably the biggest bitch you've ever encountered!" Who else but Hrag Vartanian could help us to break through another boundary? Our guest for this episode of TOB is our first self-identified, 'biggest bitch' you've ever encountered' man. We spent nearly two thought-provoking, hilarity-inducing and adoration-filled hours with the 45...
SO4 Episode 08: Tracy Hyter-Suffern - Quite a Handful 22.03.2019 42:08
"I'm either the world's greatest storyteller or the world's greatest secret keeper." At 60, Tracy Hyter-Suffern, can proudly say, "I am coming into my own. I'm the woman my mother kept trying to raise." That woman is a glorious storyteller, joyful and wise, a salsa dancer, and a fierce and fearless cultural and social justice activist. She is the Executive Director of the National Jazz Museum of...
SO4 Episode 07: Sharon Louden - Radical Generosity 26.02.2019 48:38
"The only thing I could do in high school was make art," Sharon Louden shares with us early in our conversation. She remembers that, in her secretarial shorthand classes, she simply could not stay within the lines. As an artist, educator, advocate and editor who "injects creative culture into the cracks of society," Sharon continues to challenge the lines that constrain generosity and inclusion. S...
SO4 Episode 06: Michaela Walsh - The Next Adventure 11.02.2019 35:12
Michaela Walsh - The Next Adventure "The one thing I wanted in life was not to be cynical when I get old and, I've discovered that by looking at life as an adventure, there's no way you can be cynical." Sitting in Michaela Walsh's New York City apartment and watching her eyes sparkle with mischief and delight every time she talked about the possibility of an adventure was an extraordinary privileg...
SO4 Episode 05: Renata Joy - Pure Joy! 23.01.2019 46:28
" When I am open and accepting about all of the things about myself, things happen. …It wasn't until I decided that one of the things that was to my advantage was my age that things took off." When Renata Joy was barely 11 years old, her older brother predicted that she was "the key" to her family's "fame and fortune." How right he was! Renata left her Midwest home to become an Emmy-nominated T...
SO4 Episode 04: Bitches Know - How to Totally Avoid Jet-Lag Forever! 14.01.2019 4:25
More than 90% of travelers who cross time zones suffer from jet lag. Are you one of them? No more! Take 3 minutes of your time now to hear the Old Bitches reveal – for the first time ever -- the 5 steps to never suffering jet lag again. Yes, Bitches Know. And we hope you'll let us know if this works for you (or if you have different sure-fire tips). E-mail us at 2OBPodcast@gmail.com!
SO4 Episode 03: (New Feature!) Bitches Know - Social Security 19.12.2018 4:28
Is it possible that you're losing thousands of dollars a year because you don't know the in's and out's of the U.S. Social Security system? Did you know that there might be some sure-fire ways to never ever get jet lag again? We know. We've learned. That's why we're launching our new feature, Bitches Know. Take 3 to 4 minutes to tap into the life lessons and accumulated bitchy wisdom that only de...
S04 Episode 02: No Regrets 09.12.2018 16:02
"I was a little nervous. Two Old Bitches? And I thought, 'Ou-oh. What if they're cute. If they're cute, I'm going to throw up.'" - Ashton Applewhite What do you think when you hear us say Two Old Bitches? Since we started this podcast, we've been asking the women we interview and lots of others too. In this episode, we've compiled some of the thoughtful, funny, horrified and encouraging responses...
SO4 Episode 01: Geeta Misra - Dancing on the Edge 02.11.2018 36:09
"Bold and brave. Dancing on the edge. Living each day as if it's my first or last." At 55 years, Geeta has perfected the practice of joyful disruption. She moves seamlessly between her lives in New York and Delhi, pursuing intersecting passions: gender and sexuality, film and other creative arts, and a wide web of friendships. Our conversation with Geeta ranged from exploring how she co-founded CR...
S03 Episode 10: Joy Kane - If They're Buying It, I'm Teaching It 31.07.2018 33:25
"I'm so happy. That's what surprises me. I never thought I'd survive 50. I've been suicidal a lot of the time. I was so poor and such a mess. And my life is beautiful now. Beautiful. " Joy Kane can make anything swing: an interview, a piano lesson, a song. At 91, she remains a musical enchantress, guided through life by her motto: If they're buying it, I'm teaching it. She turned her early trainin...
S03 Episode 09: Houry Geudelekian - The Original Houry! 18.06.2018 46:37
"I lived the first 15 years of our life without any reflection. No questioning about who am I? What do I want? That is my fight in life right now. Not just for myself but for every single girl out there. You cannot take a girl's voice away. You cannot take a girl's education away. And I will fight for that." Meet "the original" Houry! At 56, she brings unstoppable positive energy to advocacy for...
S03 Episode 08: Hendrica Okondo - Born, Bred and Wed in Nairobi 15.05.2018 46:05
"I'm still the same person that was my mother's disciple. Women have to have their own resources. That's what my mother was saying when she said, 'Your husband is your degree'. You need your own resources. I also need to ask for help. I cannot be superwoman." Hendrica Okondo, 62, credits much of her wisdom and courage to women: her mother and grandmother, Nobel-prize-winner Wangari Maathai, and co...
S03 Episode 07: Maya Wiley - The Possibilist 30.03.2018 47:34
"To me, it's not about age, it's not about race, it's not about ideology...I don't know that we have ever confronted such a dangerous time to democracy in our country. What it does say to me is that we fundamentally have to fight for democracy. And that means many different things." Maya is a nationally renowned racial justice and equity activist and advocate. And she is no longer an optimist. But...
S03 Episode 06: Emma & Idelisse - To A Beloved Buddha Mom 06.03.2018 38:05
"I'd be struggling to make the fabric do what I wanted and she'd say, 'no, you have to listen to the fabric, the fabric will tell you where it wants to go.'" Idelisse's mom -- Emma Delfina Carattini Padro de Malavé – died at 99 on December 10, 2017. And we wanted to record this podcast as a tribute to her life, a life that spanned nearly a century. She grew up in the hills of Puerto Rico, thwartin...
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