Things Not Seen
Things Not Seen Podcast
"Things Not Seen" talks with people of faith who are working to make sense of why we are here and how we can all live together despite our deep differences in belief. The show is hosted by Dr. David Dault, and features guests from a broad spectrum of public life, with in-depth conversations about real struggles at the intersection of faith and culture.
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Mar 8, 2026
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#2113 - Rediscovering Jesus: Diana Butler Bass 29.03.2021 1:01:28
We welcome back Diana Butler Bass to discuss her powerful recent book, Freeing Jesus: Rediscovering Jesus as Friend, Teacher, Savior, Lord, Way, and Presence. The project builds on several of her recent books, to offer a connected vision of the many ways that Jesus upsets the tables of our comfortable identities. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
#2112 - A Place at the Table: Emily M.D. Scott [Rebroadcast] 29.03.2021 59:44
Rev. Emily Scott is a pastor and church planter. She talks to us about her work, and her recent book For All Who Hunger: Searching for Communion in a Shattered World Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
#2111 - Religious Freedom is not just for Christians: Jay Wexler [Rebroadcast] 17.03.2021 57:36
Jay Wexler returns to talk about his recent book, Our Non-Christian Nation: How Atheists, Satanists, Pagans, and Others Are Demanding Their Rightful Place in Public Life Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
#2110 - Seeing Beyond Grief: Angela Williams Gorrell 07.03.2021 59:14
In her recent book, The Gravity of Joy, our guest Angela Williams Gorrell invites readers on a hope-filled journey into the heart of unimaginable grief and back again. Her work invites readers to see the complex relationship between despair and joy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
#2109 - Reclaiming Scripture as a Handbook for Resisting Tyranny: Jennifer Butler 01.03.2021 59:53
Rev. Jennifer Butler loved the Bible and her Christian faith, but then was disillusioned when it was used against her as a woman. Instead of leaving religion, she found a fresh approach to faith as liberation, and would go on to become an ordained minister and founder of Faith in Public Life, an advocacy organization. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
#2108 - Mapping the Journey of Desmond Tutu: Michael Battle 25.02.2021 59:43
The Rev. Dr. Michael Battle has been a student and friend of Archbishop Desmond Tutu for a good deal of his life. In his recent book, Battle offers what he calls "A Spiritual Biography of South Africa's Confessor" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
#2107 - Becoming Brave for Racial Justice: Brenda Salter McNeil [Rebroadcast] 15.02.2021 58:31
Looking through the lens of the biblical narrative of Esther, our guest Brenda Salter McNeil challenges Christians to recognize the pain in our world so they can work together to repair what is broken. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
#2106 - Searching for Sabbath in a World of Screens: Andy and Amy Crouch 07.02.2021 59:21
In a world overwhelmed by smart devices, Amy Crouch and her father Andy explore the wisdom of Sabbath in their recent book, My Tech-Wise Life Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
#2105 - Joe Biden and Catholicism: Massimo Faggioli 01.02.2021 1:00:59
Historian and theologian Dr. Massimo Faggioli provides an insightful overview of Catholicism in US politics, and its place as an anchor in the life of Joe Biden, the man elected to lead the country at a decisive crossroads, an unprecedented moment in US history. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
#2104 - Learning from Nebraska: Ross Benes 28.01.2021 58:36
In his recent book, Rural Rebellion, author and journalist Ross Benes takes a multi-decade look at the complex story of how Nebraska went from being a progressive state to a conservative stronghold. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
#2103 - Free Reality Winner: Billie Jean Winner-David and Wendy Collins 17.01.2021 1:05:56
Former NSA analyst Reality Leigh Winner was convicted in 2018 of leaking information about Russian hacking into the 2016 American elections. She received the harshest sentence ever for such a crime. We speak with her mother and an advocate for the Winner family about the case, and what might be done to help the case for Winner's release. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoic...
#2102 - The Hip-Hop Gospel of Tupac Shakur: Daniel White Hodge (Rebroadcast) 11.01.2021 1:01:11
Our guest Daniel White Hodge returns to Things Not Seen to discuss his recent book, Baptized in Dirty Water: Reimagining the Gospel According to Tupac Amaru Shakur Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
#2101 - Incarnational Recovery - John Edward Crean, Jr. 03.01.2021 56:12
We speak with Fr. John E. Crean, Jr. about his recent book, Recovering Benedict: Twelve-Step Living and the Rule of Benedict Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
#2046 - Sympathy for the Devil: Adam Kotsko 28.12.2020 1:00:22
We discuss a recent book by philosopher and theologian Adam Kotsko, The Prince of This World, which is a political and genealogical account of the concept of the Devil in the Abrahamic traditions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
#2045 - Talking About Weird Religion: Leah Payne and Brian Doak 20.12.2020 1:01:10
Our guests, Leah Payne and Brian Doak, are both professors, authors, and pop culture aficionados. They are the creators and co-hosts of the amazing podcast, Weird Religion. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
#2044 - A Spiritual Form of Therapy: Michael Scott Alexander 15.12.2020 1:01:20
In his recent book, Making Peace with the Universe, our guest Michael Scott Alexander takes readers through a multi-millennium journey across continents and religious traditions to explore how faith helped form a kind of "therapy before therapy." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
#2043: The Merciful-Hearted God: David Bentley Hart [Rebroadcast] 08.12.2020 1:01:24
This conversation with David Bentley Hart was our most-downloaded episode of 2020, and we are glad to return to its vital message of hope as the year draws to a close. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
#2042 - Finding Our Whole Selves 'In Real Life' - Chris Stedman 29.11.2020 1:08:12
Chris Stedman returns to Things Not Seen to talk about his recent book, IRL: Finding Realness, Meaning, and Belonging in Our Digital Lives Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
#2041 - A Fresh Look at Populism in American Politics: Thomas Frank 25.11.2020 55:10
We revisit our conversation with Thomas Frank from earlier this year, to discuss his recent book, The People, No. Frank offers a long-term view of populism as a political force in American politics, and brings some fresh light on our own national situation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
#2040 - Becoming Brave for Racial Justice: Brenda Salter McNeil 16.11.2020 58:31
Looking through the lens of the biblical narrative of Esther, our guest Brenda Salter McNeil challenges Christians to recognize the pain in our world so they can work together to repair what is broken. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
#2039 - Bringing Our Whole Selves to Worship: Kaitlin B. Curtice [Rebroadcast] 10.11.2020 59:04
We revisit our conversation with Kaitlin Curtice from earlier this year, and talk about the dualities of being an enrolled citizen of the Potawatomi Nation and someone who has grown up in the Christian faith. Her recent book, Native, explores these complexities with wit, honesty, and grace. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
#2038 - The Evolving Role of the "Religious Left": Jack Jenkins [Rebroadcast] 01.11.2020 1:04:47
On the weekend before the 2020 election, we revisit a conversation about Jack Jenkins's recent book, American Prophets, which maps the complex interplay of progressive political movements and religious communities in America over the past three decades. The result is both wide-ranging and fascinating. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
#2037 - The Love of Politics Versus the Politics of Love: Drew G. I. Hart 25.10.2020 1:04:02
Our guest Drew G. I. Hart discusses his recent book, Who Will Be A Witness, which calls Christians adrift in "the love of politics" back to an ethics of love and solidarity Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
#2036 - Promoting Hope as a Virtue: Jacob Goodson 19.10.2020 1:05:46
In a powerful new book, called The Dark Years?, our guest Jacob Goodson explores the possibilities and dangers when a philosopher tries to make prophesies about the future Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
#2035 - The Beating Heart of Judaism: Sarah Hurwitz 12.10.2020 1:03:57
As a young woman, Sarah Hurwitz left Judaism behind. Then circumstances brought her back, and she explores the richness of the heritage and faith of Judaism in her book, Here All Along: Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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