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The Wrong Cat Died
Grizabella was the wrong cat to die. After seeing CATS the Musical for the first time in July of 2016, podcast host Mike Abrams was filled with a whirlwind of emotions. He was amused, confused, and a little angry. Almost exactly three years later when the 2019 CATS movie trailer came out, Mike had enough. It was time to speak his truth – Grizabella was the wrong Cat to Die at the Jellicle Ball. In this podcast, Mike interviews CATS cast members, CATS superfans, CATS haters, and explores the backstories of the Jellicle characters all to make a case for why they were more worthy to ascend to the...
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Jul 7, 2026
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Episodes
Ep85 - Dori Berinstein & Sammi Cannold, The Show Must Go On 06.09.2022 55:51
"Anyone who works on CATS, within a few weeks of working on it you become indoctrinated in it." This episode features Dori Berinstein & Sammi Cannold who produced the documentary The Show Must Go On which chronicles the 2020 South Korea production of Cats and Phantom of the Opera. Dori and Sammi share how the idea for the documentary came about, how Sammi's love for the show grew during filming, D...
Ep84 - Sean McManus, Tumblebrutus on US National Tour 6 23.08.2022 44:11
"I think Tumblebrutus has the 'I just can't wait to be king' complex." This episode features Sean McManus who played Tumblebrutus on the 6th US CATS National Tour and is currently in the ensemble of Beetlejuice. Hear Sean share how the 2016 Broadway revival was his first experience with CATS, his defense for Grizabella as the Jellicle choice, and how he started doing his incredible impressions on...
Ep83 - Linus Karp, Comedian, How To Live A Jellicle Life, Life Lessons From the 2019 Hit Movie CATS 09.08.2022 49:08
"My partner describes it as a Ted Talk from hell." This episode features Linus Karp who is a comedian who has a hit show called "How To Live A Jellicle Life, Life Lessons From the 2019 Hit Movie CATS" based on his experience seeing the 2019 movie. Hear Linus share how he created his show after seeing the movie, how he compares Cats as Eurovision, and his defense for Grizabella. Plus, be sure to ch...
Ep82 - Alexandra Bowman, Satirist, Arts Critic, & CATS Movie Fan 26.07.2022 1:08:14
"It's shocking how much of the show's ethos matches my personality." This episode features Alexandra Bowman, a satirist and superfan of CATS who loved the 2019 movie! Hear Alexandra discuss how her initiation to CATS was the 2019 movie, how she has written multiple parody articles about the movie and musical, about her CATS cosplay, and her defense for Munkustrap as her Jellicle choice. Plus, Alex...
LIVE: Debating CATS at BroadwayCon 2022 with Zach Bravo, Zach Raffio, Jesse McAnally, and Andrew DeWolf 19.07.2022 40:32
LIVE from BroadwayCon 2022 in New York City, hear our CATS debate with Zach Bravo (US National Tour 6 Rum Tum Tugger), Zach Raffio (Founder of The Broadway Beat), Jesse McAnally (Musicals With Cheese co-host), and Andrew DeWolf (Musicals With Cheese co-host). Each panelist pulled a random cat out of a hat and made the case why they deserved to ascend to the Heaviside Layer over Grizabella. Tell us...
Ep81 - Christopher Salvaggio, Skimbleshanks US on National Tour 6 12.07.2022 43:32
"Kim Kardashian is Grizabella in her prime." This episode features Christopher Salvaggio, who played Skimbleshanks on the current 6th US CATS National Tour. Hear Chris discuss how he views the entirety of Skimble's life, how he get involved in Tik Tok during the pandemic, why he thinks Skimble was the Jellicle choice before Grizz showed up, and his defense for Gus as his Jellicle choice. Plus, sin...
Ep80 - Sean Chandler, Host of Your Program Is Your Ticket 28.06.2022 57:33
"The CATS giveth and the CATS taketh away because the cats have battered me around so much my brain explodes with CATS." This episode features Sean Chandler who is the host of Broadway Podcast Network's show Your Program is Your Ticket. Hear Sean discuss he saw CATS initially as part of a high school trip, how CATS has been a rollercoaster in his own life, and XXX. Plus, Sean shares how CATS helpe...
Ep79 - Zach Bravo, Rum Tum Tugger US on National Tour 6 14.06.2022 51:50
"Chrissie said, 'don't ad-lib.' You cannot compete with T. S. Eliot." This episode features Zach Bravo who played Rum Tum Tugger on the current 6th US CATS National Tour. Hear Zach discuss how he knew that he was going to be a Tugger from a young age, how he pulled from Metallica for his rock influence, and how he created "Tugger Talk" for Tik Tok. Plus, since Zach is a huge Star Wars fan, Zach an...
Ep78 - Hyla Perillo, Victoria US on National Tour 6 31.05.2022 46:10
"I believe Victoria was reborn from the Heaviside Layer which is why Old Deuteronomy is so fascinated with her." This episode features Hyla Perillo who is Victoria on the current 6th US CATS National Tour. Hear Hyla discuss her Victoria headcons, her interpretation of Victoria representing the Jellicle Moon, and her theory on Victoria being last year's Jellicle choice. . Plus, Hyla and Mike pick t...
Ep77 - Caitlin Bond, Victoria US on National Tour 6 17.05.2022 1:04:09
"Everything Gillian Lynne did was on a piano or flute and everything Andy Blankenbuehler did was on a drumbeat." This episode features Caitlin Bond who was Victoria on the 6th US CATS National Tour before the pandemic. Hear Caitlin discuss her ballet dance background, her emotional experience in the final show before the pandemic, how shocked she was learning the story of CATS during rehearsals, a...
Ep76 - Jamie Grayson, TheBabyGuyNYC and Skimbleshanks in 5 Regional Productions 03.05.2022 57:47
"They name the food in Ohio. We were joking that we wanted a Rum Tum Tuna Casserole." This episode features Jamie Grayson who is better known as TheBabyGuyNYC but also played Skimbleshanks in 5 regional productions and designed makeup for 2 more productions. Jamie might know more stories about CATS than anyone else in the world and shares some of his craziest examples. Plus, Jamie reveals a major...
Ep75 - Anne Brummel, Grizabella on US National Tour 5 19.04.2022 56:50
"The joy that I felt when I found out that I was going to be a part of Green Eyes. It was it all had come full circle. It was like, now I could be the person scaring people." This episode features Anne Brummel who played Grizabella on the US National Tour 5. Hear Anne discuss being traumatized seeing the show as a kid, how CATS compare to Wicked characters, and her passionate defense of Grizabella...
Ep74 - Scott Miller, Author of "Theatre Cats" 05.04.2022 43:47
"Skimbleshanks is in 13 and that's really kind of fun for me as a musician." This episode features Scott Miller who is the author of a CATS parody book called Theatre Cats. Hear about Scott's first time experiencing the US National Tour 3 of CATS in Boston, the writing process of crafting a parody book, his experience watching the new movie, and his first experience thinking about the Jellicle dec...
Ep73 - Ben Rimalower & Daniel Nolen, Cast Offs @ Club Cumming 23.03.2022 48:18
"I just remember they were really hanging their hat on Elaine Paige. Commercials on channel four in Tecumseh, Oklahoma and I was like... great whoever she is." This episode features Ben Rimalower & Daniel Nolen who are fellow podcasters on the Broadway Podcast Network and the hosts of a new event called Cast Offs being hosted at Club Cumming in New York City. Hear about Ben's experience falling as...
Ep72 - Damien Delaney, Bill Bailey on Original West End Production 08.03.2022 24:04
"When I joined the show that was fifteen years in it was still playing to pack houses every single week." This episode features Damien Delaney who played Bill Bailey on the original West End Production. Hear Damien talk about getting to do the show with some of the original cast, learning the show with incredible Chrissie Cartwright, and why he believes Gus is his Jellicle choice. Check out Damien...
Ep71 - Tony d'Alelio, Mungojerrie on US National Tour 6 22.02.2022 47:38
"My first word is cocksure which is a British slang term for not just being cocky but cocky to your own detriment." This episode features Tony d'Alelio who was Mungojerrie on the 6th US CATS National Tour before the pandemic. Hear Tony discuss how he grew up only watching the first act of the musical, his interpretation of the nuances of the show, and his deep defense for Gus as his Jellicle choic...
Ep70 - DJ John Michael, Peloton DJ 08.02.2022 1:03:04
"And if there's any lens point at which to look at CATS through, it's through the eyes of a cult." This episode features DJ John Michael who you likely know as the Live DJ during your Peloton workouts but who also performed as a hybrid Munkustrap/Rum Tum Tugger cat in the Staten Island Academy of PerformIng Arts production of CATS. Hear DJ John Michael discuss how he collected international cast r...
Ep69 - Laura Kaufman, Tantomile on US National Tour 6 25.01.2022 46:51
"If you are just watching the show you probably wouldn't even notice the twins. But if someone knows this show well or if someone happens to catch us and then follow us, they're in for a treat." This episode features Laura Kaufman who was Tantomile on the 6th US CATS National Tour before the pandemic. Hear Laura discuss seeing the show as a teenager, performing in front of friends and family outdo...
Ep68 - Benjamin Colley, Swing on the 2020 South Korea Production 11.01.2022 59:31
"CATS is a lot of damp leotards." This episode features Benjamin Colley who was a swing on the 2020 Asian Tour in South Korea cover Rum Tum Tugger, Munkustrap, Old Deuteronomy, Gus, Bustopher Jones, and Growltiger. Hear Benjamin discuss what it was like being part of one of the only musicals running during the beginning of the Covid-19 Pandemic, how the cast became really close living in their bub...
Ep67 - Tanner Ray Wilson, Dance Captain and Swing on 2016 Broadway Revival 23.12.2021 1:00:22
"I had never seen a stage production before booking the show." This episode features Tanner Ray Wilson who was a swing and a dance captain in the 2016 Broadway revival. Hear Tanner discuss break down Carbuckety's backstory, his theory on how Jennyanydots and Pouncival are actually a couple, and his reasoning for why Cassandra should have been the Jellicle choice. Plus, Tanner gives a ton of differ...
Ep66 - Lynn Craig, Swing on US National Tour 5 30.11.2021 37:12
"They asked us what we knew about cats and why we were so excited to be there I got a little bit of attitude because I thought they were cats from space." This episode features Lynn Craig who was a swing on the 5th US CATS National Tour . Hear Lynn discuss her introduction to CATS knowing very little at her first rehearsal, her experience doing CATS in a round theatre, and how her show differed fr...
Bonus - Broadway Reborn: Memory Parody (10 Minute Version) (Mike's Version) 16.11.2021 4:39
If the 2019 Bombalurina can re-release her own music, why can't I? As part of the “BROADWAY REBORN, WITH LOVE NOW AND FOREVER, A Celebratory Welcome Back!” event that was recorded live on August 21, 2021, we recorded and released a parody of Memory. Hear it today and watch the music video on YouTube at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pnXTDssGNY Performed by Melanie Goerlitz Lyrics by Mike Abrams...
Ep65 - Jacob Smith, Macavity in Waterloo Community Playhouse (Iowa) 09.11.2021 1:10:31
"I poke out as as Alonzo singing 'Were you blind when you're born?' full tilt at my father two feet away I will never forget for the rest of my life he noticed me and jumped probably two feet out of his seat." This episode features Jacob Smith who you probably know from his time on Broadway in Frozen but performed as Macavity early in his theater journey at the Waterloo Community Playhouse in Iowa...
Ep64 - Joshua Burrage, Swing on 2016 Broadway Revival 26.10.2021 48:15
"Alonzo is the Rob Kardashian of CATS." This episode features Joshua Burrage who was a swing in the 2016 Broadway revival and an emergency cover on the US National Tour 6. Hear Joshua discuss how CATS was his first time performing as a swing, give a deep character breakdown of his various cats, and how both he and his brother got to perform in the show on tour. Plus, be sure to dig through Joshua'...
Ep63 - Heidi Stallings, Grizabella in the Original Broadway Production 12.10.2021 43:47
"Gillian Lynn would change the choreography which she could do because it's hers." This episode features Heidi Stallings who played Grizabella on Broadway in 1991 after initially being a cover. Hear Heidi talk about how she learned the show from a cassette tape, how she developed her character using inspiration from other performances, and her defense on why Grizabella is her Jellicle choice. Pro...
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