Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
The World Unpacked
The World Unpacked is a weekly podcast where insiders, intellectuals, and iconoclasts dive deep into the most pressing global issues. In a time of violent convulsions and heady new possibilities, host Jon Bateman mixes it up with the thinkers making sense of what’s happening and the power brokers building what comes next. Tune in for lively, free-wheeling conversations with some of the world’s most interesting and informed people.
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Jul 10, 2026
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Episodes
Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un in Vietnam 28.02.2019 11:05
While Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un were talking in Vietnam, Jen sat down with Carnegie expert Toby Dalton about the what a successfully negotiated agreement with North Korea might look like.
Where is the U.S.-China Relationship Going? 21.02.2019 32:37
Jen talks to Evan Feigenbaum about how Xi Jinping has changed China, what people around the United States really think of China, and where the U.S.-China relationship is headed.
The Future of the U.S.-Saudi Relationship 14.02.2019 23:58
Saudi Arabia has received a lot of negative attention in recent months, from the murder of Jamal Khashoggi to recent reporting about U.S. weapons originally sold to the Saudis showing up in Yemen. Have there been any consequences for their relationship with the United States? And how have these events changed the power structures in the region? Jen talks to Carnegie expert Frederic Wehrey to find...
Eliot Engel on the Foreign Policy Priorities of the New Democratic Majority 07.02.2019 22:59
Jarrett Blanc stands in for Jen to talk to Eliot Engel , the chairman of the House Foreign Relations Committee, about where the Democrats want to take U.S. foreign policy. Go Deeper: Watch Chairman Engel's event at Carnegie .
How to Negotiate with Iran and North Korea 31.01.2019 24:22
Nuclear talks with Iran and North Korea have taken over the headlines, building on years of diplomacy that often goes unseen. Jen talks to Suzanne DiMaggio , who has been negotiating behind the scenes with the Iranians and North Koreans for twenty years.
Erdoğan's Turkey 24.01.2019 34:13
Since Turkey’s President Erdoğan took office in 2014, he has consolidated power and squashed dissent, while angling for a larger role on the global stage. Jen talks to Henri Barkey about how Erdoğan has changed Turkey, Barkey’s purported role in the 2016 coup, and where Erdoğan’s ambitions are taking him. More about Henri Barkey
What's Next for Brexit? 17.01.2019 19:54
After the historic defeat of Theresa May’s Brexit deal, Jen talks to Carnegie expert Peter Kellner about what happened and what’s next for the United Kingdom. Peter Kellner is a visiting scholar at Carnegie Europe, where his research focuses on Brexit, populism, and electoral democracy. Go Deeper: Read Peter's take on what's coming next for Theresa May . Learn more about Peter Kellner .
Enemy of My Enemy: Why Russia and China Are Growing Closer 10.01.2019 18:35
As the United States adopts an increasingly confrontational international posture, the ties between Russia and China are deepening. Should the West be concerned? Jen talks to Carnegie Moscow expert Alexander Gabuev about what’s bringing them together, and the consequences for the United States. Go Deeper: Read Sasha's piece on how U.S. policies are pushing Russia and China closer together .
Can America Still Lead the World? 03.01.2019 30:50
Jen talks to Jake Sullivan about why he wants to reclaim the idea of American exceptionalism and how the next president can restore American global influence. Jake Sullivan is a nonresident senior fellow in Carnegie's Geoeconomics and Strategy Program. Read his piece in the Atlantic, " What Donald Trump and Dick Cheney Got Wrong About America ."
Holiday Roundup 2018 20.12.2018 36:09
Jen talks to Carnegie experts Jarrett Blanc, Kate Charlet, and Karim Sadjadpour about the most important events of 2018 and what to look for in the year ahead. Jarrett Blanc is a senior fellow in the Geoeconomics and Strategy Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. He is an expert on sanctions, as well as Afghanistan. Katherine Charlet is the inaugural director of Carnegie’s Tec...
A Foreign Policy for the American Middle Class 13.12.2018 25:10
After the 2016 election, there are significant questions about whether America’s role in the world and our foreign policy are helping the American middle class. Carnegie expert Salman Ahmed has spent the last year focusing on how American foreign policy decisions on trade, defense, and more impacts Ohio. Today, Jen talks with him about his work, what he learned, and how his views have changed. Sal...
NATO 101: NATO and the War on Terror 06.12.2018 18:14
This week we’re digging into NATO—what it is, how it’s changed, and where it’s headed. Today, Jen talks to Simon Gass, who served as NATO’s senior civilian representative to Afghanistan. They discuss what NATO brings to an operation like Afghanistan, and what it would take to mobilize the alliance again. Don’t miss the first two episodes in this series, and stay tuned for more 101 series in the co...
NATO 101: Does Europe Need NATO? 05.12.2018 26:12
This week we’re digging into NATO—what it is, how it’s changed, and where it’s headed. Today, Jen talks to Carnegie expert and former Slovak ambassador to NATO, Tomáš Valášek, about how NATO looks from Europe. They discuss Trump’s complaints about NATO funding, what to make of talk of an EU army, and how Russia’s renewed aggression is challenging the alliance. Don’t miss yesterday’s episode on how...
NATO 101: What is NATO? 04.12.2018 24:46
This week we’re digging into NATO—what it is, how it’s changed, and where it’s headed. Today, Jen talks to the former U.S. ambassador to NATO, Doug Lute, about how NATO works, how it changed after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and what it would take to mobilize the alliance again. Tune in over the next two days for the rest of our NATO 101 series. Douglas Lute served as the U.S. permanent repr...
The Women Changing Indian Politics 29.11.2018 17:05
Indian women are slowly changing the country’s patriarchal political system, starting at the voting booth -- they now turn out to vote at a higher rate than men. What does that mean for next year’s Indian general election? Jen talks to Carnegie expert Milan Vaishnav about women’s growing political power in India. Milan Vaishnav is the director of Carnegie’s South Asia Program. We want to hear from...
Trump's Trade War With China 15.11.2018 18:41
Trade tensions between Washington and Beijing have escalated throughout 2018. As Trump plans to meet with Chinese President Xi Jinping at the G20 meetings in Argentina this month, Jen talks to Carnegie expert Michael Pettis to sort fact from fiction. Michael Pettis is an expert on China’s economy and a nonresident senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace based in Beijing. We...
What do the U.S. midterm elections mean for foreign policy? 08.11.2018 27:16
Jen Psaki and the New Yorker’s Evan Osnos discuss the U.S. midterm elections, how the new Congress will affect U.S. policy abroad, and what the results suggest about the 2020 presidential contest. We want to hear from you! Write to us at diplopod@ceip.org, or call us at 202-939-2247. Leave us a voicemail and we might use your question on a future episode. You can also talk to us on Twitter using #...
John Kerry on Diplomacy, Russia, and the Middle East 01.11.2018 24:22
Jen’s former boss John Kerry joins her to talk about his time as Secretary of State, and his new memoir, Every Day is Extra. They discuss the future of an Israel-Palestine peace deal, his disagreement with President Obama over Syria, and the U.S.-Russia relationship. John Kerry is a visiting distinguished statesman at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. We want to hear from you! Write...
Arms Race Redux 30.10.2018 26:36
President Trump surprised foreign policy experts when he pulled out of the INF Treaty last week, raising the prospect of a new nuclear arms race. Jen talks to Russian nuclear policy expert Alexey Arbatov and Carnegie’s Eugene Rumer to explain what’s at stake. Eugene Rumer is a senior fellow and the director of Carnegie’s Russia and Eurasia Program. Alexey Arbatov is the head of the Center for Inte...
Jamal Khashoggi, Human Rights, and the Future of the Middle East 25.10.2018 24:11
Former UN high commissioner for human rights Zeid Ra’ad Al Hussein has been an outspoken critic of human rights abusers, including of those in power. He sat down with guest host Jarrett Blanc to talk about the death of Jamal Khashoggi, the war in Yemen, the future of the Middle East, and the false promise that undemocratic leaders will bring about lasting freedom for their people. Jarrett Blanc is...
Sanctions 101: How are Sanctions Implemented? 17.10.2018 18:58
Jen and Jarrett talk to lawyer Greta Lichtenbaum about how sanctions policy translates into the real world, and how she helps her clients navigate them. This is the third episode of a three-part special series—a 101 on how sanctions work and how policymakers should use them. Don’t miss the first two episodes! You can find them in your feed wherever you listen to podcasts. Greta Lichtenbaum is atto...
Sanctions 101: How Powerful are Sanctions, Really? 16.10.2018 31:32
How powerful are sanctions, really? In this episode, Jen and Jarrett talk to former U.S. treasury secretary Jack Lew about how policymakers ought to approach sanctions, and the dangers of using sanctions unwisely. This is the second episode of a three-part special series on sanctions—a 101 on how sanctions work and how policymakers should use them. Don’t miss part one of our series on what sanctio...
Sanctions 101: How Do Sanctions Work? 15.10.2018 16:08
This is the first episode of a three-part special series on sanctions—a 101 course on how sanctions work and how policymakers should use them. This episode, Jen talks with her special cohost for this series, Jarrett Blanc, about what sanctions are and how they work. Over the next two days, we’ll release two more episodes—tomorrow Jen and Jarrett talk to former U.S. treasury secretary Jack Lew abou...
A Peace Deal in the Balkans? 11.10.2018 31:51
Kosovo and Serbia are trying to negotiate the end of their old and frequently bloody conflict. A solution could pave the way for both countries to join the EU. Jen Psaki talks to Bekim Çollaku, chief of staff to Kosovar President Hashim Thaçi, who explains Kosovo’s goals and parameters in the negotiations. Carnegie’s Judy Dempsey, who has covered the Balkans for years, shares her view on what come...
Francis Fukuyama on Identity Politics 27.09.2018 16:34
Jen Psaki sat down with Stanford professor Francis Fukuyama to talk about his new book, "Identity: The Demand for Dignity and the Politics of Resentment." They discussed Fukuyama’s views on the current trajectory of identity politics in the United States and around the world, and what he sees as a new essential American identity. Go deeper: More about Francis Fukuyama: https://fukuyama.s...
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