Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
The World Unpacked
The World Unpacked is a weekly podcast where insiders, intellectuals, and iconoclasts dive deep into the most pressing global issues. In a time of violent convulsions and heady new possibilities, host Jon Bateman mixes it up with the thinkers making sense of what’s happening and the power brokers building what comes next. Tune in for lively, free-wheeling conversations with some of the world’s most interesting and informed people.
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Jul 10, 2026
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The Show Goes On 05.03.2020 0:47
This week, we're saying goodbye to Jen and our executive producer, Lauren, as they both move on to exciting new opportunities. But don't worry—the show will go on! We'll be releasing an episode every two weeks for the next couple of months, and then will be back with an exciting new season after that. Stay tuned for more! If there's a topic in foreign policy you'd like us to unpack, tweet @Carnegi...
Jen Psaki on Foreign Policy and the 2020 Election 27.02.2020 41:51
Our executive producer Lauren Dueck turns the tables on Jen , and puts her in the hot seat to talk about the state of the 2020 democratic primary race, the major foreign policy topics that might factor into the presidential election, and the relative strengths and weaknesses of President Trump.
Putin is Remaking Russia's Presidency (Again) 20.02.2020 18:32
In a shocking move during his annual state address, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced sweeping reforms to the Russian constitution, giving power to the parliament and taking it away from the presidency. Afterwards, his entire cabinet resigned, including long time ally Dmitri Medvedev. Commentators have speculated about Putin's objectives, but no one yet knows what comes next. Jen talks to...
How Coronavirus is Cutting China Off from the World 13.02.2020 32:31
The Coronavirus outbreak has sparked fear around the world, leading to quarantines, transportation shut downs, and disrupting trade, travel, and more. Reports are now emerging that the Chinese government initially tried to cover up the outbreak, threatening doctors and forcing whistleblowers to recant their statements. How has the initial response changed? And what does Coronavirus mean for China...
Surviving Aleppo 06.02.2020 27:32
Waad al-Kateab was a college student in Aleppo when she picked up a video camera to document the Syrian revolution. She kept filming when she met and married her husband and had her first child. She kept filming when the Assad regime laid siege to her city, and when the Russian Air Force started bombing hospitals. Waad's husband, Hamza al-Kateab , became the last doctor running the last hospital i...
The Death of the Two State Solution 30.01.2020 19:44
President Trump's recently announced peace deal might be dead on arrival, but it may still create facts on the ground that make the two-state solution impossible. Jen talks to Marwan Muasher about what Jared Kushner's "deal of the century" means for Israel, Palestine, and the United States.
The Terror in Xinjiang 23.01.2020 27:20
Reports of China's repression of its Uighur minority have been trickling out for years, but recently leaked documents tell the story of sweeping and systematic campaigns of detention, cultural genocide, brainwashing, and forced labor. Jen talks to James Palmer about what he's learned about the situation on the ground, what the example of Xinjiang has meant for the Hong Kong protestors, and what co...
Iraq: Caught in the Crossfire 16.01.2020 25:31
The U.S. killing of Qassem Soleimani has upended Iraq's already fragile political system. How do Iraqis see the escalating tension between the U.S. and Iran? Jen talks to Iraqi journalist Ghaith Abdul-Ahad about how Iraqis see the conflict, and what it means for Iraqi society. Note: Ghaith called us from Istanbul, and was joined by his cat, who you'll hear on this recording.
Iran's Revenge: A Dish Served Cold 09.01.2020 27:35
Last week Donald Trump ordered a drone attack that killed top Iranian general Qassim Suleimani. On Tuesday, Iran retaliated by firing a dozen ballistic missiles at Iraqi bases hosting U.S. military forces. On Wednesday, President Trump declared an end to the escalatory spiral with Iran. But is it really over? Jen talks to Karim Sadjadpour about what Iran might do next.
What the Afghanistan Papers Taught Us 19.12.2019 40:02
Jen talks with Jarrett Blanc about the blockbuster report by the Washington Post, revealing hundreds of scathing interviews with U.S. officials involved in the war in Afghanistan. The World Unpacked will be back in January.
Does NATO Still Matter? 12.12.2019 18:00
NATO played a pivotal role in the arms control treaties that kept a lid on the tensions of the Cold War. But arms control treaties are expiring, and recently, French President Emmanuel Macron described NATO as "brain dead". Jen talks to former NATO deputy secretary general Rose Gottemoeller about Turkey, Ukraine, New START, and NATO's future.
Iran's Deadly Protests 05.12.2019 23:48
When Iranians took to the streets to protest an abrupt hike in gas prices, the government turned off the internet. When it came back on, the world saw the devastating aftermath of the deadliest crackdown in Iran since the 1979 revolution. Why was the crackdown so severe? And what role dis U.S. sanctions really play in bringing the protests about? Jen talks to Karim Sadjadpour about what the unres...
Happy Thanksgiving! 28.11.2019 0:22
The World Unpacked is on hiatus this week. For our U.S. listeners, Happy Thanksgiving! If there's a topic in foreign policy you'd like us to unpack, tweet @CarnegieEndow with #WorldUnpacked.
The Eruption of Protests in South America 21.11.2019 24:11
Growing protests are raging across South America. From Ecuador to Bolivia to Venezuela to Chile, the region is experiencing the largest outbreak of unrest in decades. What is prompting these protests? Why are they happening now? And what does it say about leadership in the region? To help us better understand, Moisés Naím joined Jen in the World Unpacked studio. Go deeper: In a recent article for...
Freedom of Foreign Press in China 14.11.2019 36:09
The Chinese government’s long held strategy to control dissent within their borders has had enormous impact on members of the media—particularly foreign media. Jen sat down Charles Hutzler , the former Beijing bureau chief at the Wall Street Journal , who has spent more than 20 years reporting in Beijing. He describes how even during massive social changes in China, the government’s view of media’...
What Baghdadi's Death Means for ISIS 07.11.2019 26:23
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi shaped and led ISIS, defining its brutal ideology and establishing himself as a "caliph of all Muslims". What does his death mean for ISIS? Jen talks to Carnegie expert H.A. Hellyer about how Baghdadi shaped the ideologies of extremism, and what can be done to reverse the tides of radicalization. Go further: https://carnegieendowment.org/2019/10/28/conditions-that-created-is...
"Get Rid of Everyone": Lebanon's Arab Spring 2.0 31.10.2019 21:41
Protestors around Lebanon have already won many victories, including the resignation of Prime Minister Saad Hariri. But can a deeply sectarian government really start afresh? Jen talks to Marwan Muasher about what the protestors are looking for and whether or not they're going to succeed.
How a Poet Defied El Salvador's Death Squads 24.10.2019 34:09
Carolyn Forché was an acclaimed twenty-seven year old poet in 1977 when a stranger persuaded her to travel to El Salvador, a country on the brink of war. What she saw there, recounted in her recent memoir, What You Have Heard Is True , changed her life and caused her to question everything she thought she knew about American foreign policy. Jen talks to Carolyn about what she saw, what she learned...
Fixing Interpol with Matt Apuzzo 17.10.2019 28:13
Interpol conjures up images of shady agents in sharp suits, jetting around the world to capture international criminals. But recently the international police agency has come under fire, as autocratic regimes around the world have used its Red Notice system to harass and arrest political exiles. Has Interpol become just an international extension of the regimes of Vladimir Putin and Xi Jin Ping ?...
Mohammad Bin Salman's Recklessness and Saudi Arabia's Future 10.10.2019 35:27
Mohammad Bin Salman rose to power with the promise of reform and liberalizing Saudi society. The war in Yemen and the murder of Washington Pos t journalist Jamal Khashoggi have changed his reputation dramatically - but has he suffered any real consequences? Jen talks with Yasmine Farouk about MBS's ambitions, recklessness, brutality, and miscalculations.
Indonesia's Youth Are Trying to Save the Country 03.10.2019 20:58
Tens of thousands of Indonesians took to the streets last week to protest a series of controversial moves undertaken by President Jokowi and his government. While Indonesians are no stranger to protests, these demonstrations come less than five months after Jokowi was re-elected with 55% of the vote. Jen talks to Dan Slater about why voters have turned against a seemingly popular, democratically-e...
How UNGA Happens 26.09.2019 32:53
The United Nations General Assembly has gathered world leaders since 1945. But while presidents and prime ministers stage dramatic speeches in the hall, much of the real diplomatic work takes place on the sidelines. How does UNGA really work? What thorny issues are diplomats tackling this week? And what will we remember from this year's meeting? Jen talks to Carnegie expert Salman Ahmed, who has a...
How the Hong Kong Protests Look from Beijing 19.09.2019 25:31
Hong Kong has been in turmoil for months, as residents in their millions continue to take to the streets. What started as a protest against an extradition bill has grown into a full blown movement for democracy. As the protests have grown, the central government has deployed disinformation strategies to shape public perception of what's happening on the ground, and has accused the United States of...
The Fight Over Kashmir 12.09.2019 27:29
Kashmir has been contested land since the partition of India and Pakistan in 1947. It has been a flashpoint for political tension and the site of multiple wars. But last month, the Indian government made a bold move, changing the Indian constitution and revoking the special status of Indian-occupied Kashmir – which was also India’s only Muslim-majority state. At the same time, they shut down telec...
Making Peace with the Taliban 05.09.2019 27:01
On Monday, U.S. negotiators signaled that they had nearly finalized a long-sought agreement that is a step toward ending the American conflict with the Taliban. What does the deal contain? And does it really mean that the war in Afghanistan is over? Jen talks to Jarrett Blanc and Frances Brown about the long peace process ahead. Read: Jarrett's Washington Post oped, " We Need to take the Best...
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