The New World
The Two Matts
Join The New World's Matt Kelly and Matt d'Ancona plus occasional guests for weekly chat on politics and media with a side of cultural stuff. A podcast in the spirit of the award-winning New World newspaper - irreverent, witty, surprising, argumentative ... and annoying all the right people. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Be sure to visit the podcast's website and support the creator: www.thenewworld.co.uk
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Oct 21, 2026
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Episodes
With Sonia Sodha on the NHS trans case that will test the law 31.07.2025 46:51
The Matts are joined by New World contributing editor Sonia Sodha to understand the bitter and consequential tribunal taking place in Fife - as nurse Sandie Peggie takes on the NHS over her treatment in the aftermath of a dispute over women’s rights in the workplace. Before that, the Matts discuss Starmer’s handling of the UK’s sort-of recognition of a Palestinian state. Has it helped or hindered...
Gary Lineker speaks out about Gaza, the BBC and the Daily Mail 29.07.2025 42:23
Gary Lineker has given his first interview since leaving the BBC to The New World. The Two Matts reflect on the wide range of issues he touches on - not least his sacking from the BBC and accusations of antisemitism he faced. “I’m not antisemitic,” he says. “I’m anti the killing of children.” Also this week - how good were Oasis at Wembley (superb) and how mad was the visit of Trump to Scotland (s...
This week's Two Matts Q&A: Are we finally getting bolder over Gaza? 27.07.2025 38:28
Today on The Two Matts podcast Matthew d'Ancona and Matt Kelly again respond to your queries. They discuss whether the government and BBC are getting bolder over Israeli actions in Gaza, why Benjamin Netanyahu has refused to establish an enquiry to look into the mistakes he made over October 7 and if the 50-year privatisation experiment has failed. Plus they talk the hidden student loan crisis, th...
Rise of the far right and the resurrection of Jeremy Corbyn 25.07.2025 37:36
Events in Epping are spreading. The Matts take a long hard look at the influence of a new strain of far right activist and how they are emboldened by the words and posts of Nigel Farage. After that - what does the new political party led by Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana mean for the Labour Party and the UK’s first past the post political system? The consequences are deeper than meet the eye. Enj...
The real crime is how Labour let Farage control the narrative 22.07.2025 43:56
Nigel Farage laid out his plans to halve crime in Britain; a combination of blithe populist (undeliverable) promises and dog-whistling lifted straight out of the MAGA playbook. The Matts pick apart the performance. But their disgust for him is shared equally with Yvette Cooper, the actual Home Secretary, whose recent contribution to fighting crime in Britain has centred exclusively on making a bun...
This week's Two Matts Q&A: Why do Reform get such disproportionate airtime? 20.07.2025 28:57
Today on The Two Matts podcast Matthew d'Ancona and Matt Kelly again respond to your queries. They discuss why it is the BBC gives Reform such disproportionate airtime, what on earth “useful” information means in connection to Grant Shapps and whether Ozempic isn’t just a wholly good medical solution to something that ruins millions of lives. They also talk about superinjunctions, whether we get t...
The greatest scandal of our times? 17.07.2025 52:14
The Matts explore the various extraordinary facets of the super injunction following the accidental leak of thousands of Afghans who helped Britain and now face retribution from the Taliban. In its scope, it could be the biggest single scandal of them all - the threat to transparent government, the betrayal of foreigners who supported the UK, the treatment of those foreigners when they arrive here...
The BBC on trial 15.07.2025 49:16
It’s all about the UK’s public broadcaster today - The BBC. It’s had a shocker of a week, mitigated only by Gary O’Donoghue’s spellbinding interview with Donald Trump, which the Matts discuss in the first part of today’s pod. But then things turn south. Two damning reports - one into Gregg Wallace and one into the Gaza documentary broadcast then pulled as it emerged the narrator was the son of an...
This week's Two Matts Q&A: Is it a genocide or not? 13.07.2025 44:30
Today on The Two Matts podcast Matthew d'Ancona and Matt Kelly again respond to your queries. They discuss whether it is time to describe Israel’s actions in Gaza as genocide, the launch of Best Start and what the appeal of Oasis is. Plus there’s talk about whether politicians should have an enforced retirement age, the government's expansive use of terrorism legislation, Jake Berry’s defection to...
Tax the (VERY) rich!! 10.07.2025 34:59
The Matts discuss the options available to Starmer and Reeves given they seem determined not to raise income tax, VAT and national insurance. Could taxing the enormously wealthy be an election winner? How could the property rich, cash poor be protected? And how would the Daily Mail come up with some spurious objection to protect their proprietor’s billions? But first … has the Macron visit produce...
Special guest Tom Baldwin: Can Keir turn a bad start around? 08.07.2025 54:23
The Matts are joined by New World contributing editor Tom Baldwin - author of Keir Starmer The Biography - for an honesty session. Where has Labour gone wrong in its poor first year and is Keir Starmer the right man to turn things around and keep Farage out of Downing Street. It’s a tough conversation but full of insight and ideas (something Labour could do with some might say). Enjoy! Pre-order t...
This week's Two Matts Q&A: Should we admire Keir Starmer's willingness to back down? 06.07.2025 31:25
Today on The Two Matts podcast, Matthew d'Ancona and Matt Kelly again respond to your queries. They discuss whether Keir Starmer’s willingness to back down and listen is actually something to be admired, if the Prime Minister should take more care with his speeches and how serious Palestine Action’s protests were. Plus they talk about the extent of corruption in UK politics, just how progressive t...
What really makes humans tick? And what’s going on in Number 10? 03.07.2025 1:03:19
The Matts are joined by Jonathan Goodman, author of Invisible Rivals , a fascinating book about what really makes the world go round and its consequences for religion, politics and media. It’s a revelatory conversation that will change how you think about society. Also the tragic death of Diogo Jota and his brother, plus what the hell is going on in Number Ten? Enjoy! OFFER: Get The New World for...
Meanwhile in Gaza… Have we lost our moral compass? 01.07.2025 43:00
The Matts reflect on the prospect of famine in Gaza while the UK media obsesses on the antics of a rapper on a Glastonbury stage. Why is the crisis facing hundreds of thousands of children relegated to an afterthought? Why does Keir Starmer say more about Bob Vylan than the humanitarian disaster on the eastern shore of the Med? Also: can Starmer survive the pirouettes of u-turns he is performing a...
This week's Two Matts Q&A: Could Just Stop Oil now be considered terrorists? 29.06.2025 37:12
The Matts again respond to your queries. They discuss whether the government’s Palestine Action decision means Just Stop Oil could now be considered terrorists, if AI could actually be the populists’ worst nightmare and the genius of David Lynch. Plus they debate whether journalists should strive for detachment, Keir Starmer’s on-off welfare cuts and which is most cringeworthy: Mark Rutte calling...
Keir Starmer in big trouble at home 26.06.2025 44:22
As the international news agenda moves at a frenzied pace, back home Keir Starmer faces a crisis of his own. The Matts explore the depth of feeling from amongst his own backbenchers against his welfare bill. It’s a crisis wholly of his own making and as Reform continues to surge in the polls, it bodes badly for all of us. Also - why did Mark Rutte call Trump daddy? And what was the Matts’ greatest...
Trump drags the world to the edge of reality 24.06.2025 45:39
It’s been a few days of head-spinning consequence and the Matts explore the thinking of the man at its heart - Donald Trump. They kick off with an extraordinary moment; Trump losing his cool as Israel and Iran both appear to defy his ceasefire - but then the conversation moves quickly to what this means for the Middle East, for the UK, the United Nations, for NATO, and for the future of Euro...
This week's Two Matts Q&A: Are we witnessing the early stages of a global war? 22.06.2025 41:30
The Matts again respond to your queries. They discuss whether we are witnessing the early stages of a global war without anyone admitting it, if we have collectively deleted our memory of 2016 and when we started confusing billionaires with philosophers. Plus there’s talk of whether Keir Starmer should have stooped at the feet of Donald Trump, if having children is ethical and what actually define...
The week the world holds its breath 19.06.2025 47:02
As missiles fly between Israel and Iran, the Matts explore the long backstory to a conflict that has the capacity to spark a truly global conflict. Why has Netanyahu chosen now to attack? What can Iranians hope for? How will Keir Starmer handle the fact he is caught between a rock and hard place. And the biggest question of all: What will Trump do now. Ok - so not even Trump knows that - but the M...
The genius of myth-busting ... with Helen Lewis 17.06.2025 48:43
The Matts are joined by Helen Lewis, journalist and author of The Genius Myth: A Curious History of a Dangerous Idea for a fascinating deep-dive into what it means to be a genius. Why does society worship difficult men? Who gets left out of the genius narrative? And what if collaboration, not isolation, is the real source of greatness? Enjoy! OFFER: Get The New World for just £1 for the first mont...
Q&A: Is the Trump-Musk rift far from amusing? 15.06.2025 32:43
The Matts discuss whether the rift between Donald Trump and Elon Musk is actually far from amusing, if the US president is being insulated from the mockery being hurled at him and what is going on with the so-called Epstein files. Plus they talk about how to fix the manosphere, the way to react to Quran burnings and potential acronyms to give to Nigel Farage. Enjoy! OFFER: Get The New World for ju...
The extraordinary science of creativity with Marcus du Sautoy 12.06.2025 59:40
The Matts are joined in the studio by one of the world’s greatest explainers of science; Marcus du Sautoy to discuss his new book Blueprints: How Mathematics Shapes Creativity. It’s a thrilling conversation which leaves both Matts wondering … why can’t maths lessons in schools be this interesting?! Join them as Marcus explains how great art, music and literature all have the power of numbers embed...
Down and out in the manosphere - with James Bloodworth 10.06.2025 48:31
The Matts are joined by author James Bloodworth whose new book Lost Boys is a brilliantly insightful exploration of misogyny and conspiracy rife within groups of young men today. James does what many journalists don’t - he goes on the road, all over the world, to meet with his subjects and understand what drives this alarming phenomenon. From Red Pill and Black Pill conspiracies to Instagram’s alg...
Is the Brexit argument now behind us? 08.06.2025 29:03
Today on The Two Matts podcast Matthew d'Ancona and Matt Kelly again respond to your queries. They discuss whether the New World means the Brexit argument is now behind us, the emotive language around treating sex offenders and whether Keir Starmer needs to be replaced by a better entertainer. There’s also talk of whether Thames Water should be turned into a mutual, Donald Trump’s madness and taco...
The New European becomes The New World - with Alastair Campbell 05.06.2025 54:40
The Matts are joined by Alastair Campbell to discuss today’s big news - the rebrand of The New European to The New World. Why are we changing? Who is The New World for? Who will be writing in it... and about what. All will be revealed. Founder and editor-in-chief Matt Kelly and editor-at-large Matthew d’Ancona explain the thinking and ambition behind this new chapter in the publishing success that...
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