The Trial

Join Caroline and Claire as they bring you the latest from the trial of the McCann “stalkers”. In this episode we’ve got the evidence of Kate and Gerry McCann who said the actions of the two women on trial were relentless and distressing. Gerry also said the family still have a glimmer of hope that Madelaine is still alive and Julia Wandelt could have put the investigation at risk. We also have th...

In this episode Caroline and Claire have the moment the court in Leicester were told two women accused of stalking Madeleine McCann’s family accosted them at the family home. They also joked about riffling through their bins. The prosecution say Julia Wandelt used emotional blackmail to try to convince the family she was Madeleine. The Trial of the McCann Stalkers is part of the Crime Desk. Press...

In this episode Caroline and Claire have the opening day of trial of two women accused of stalking the family of Madeleine McCann. Julie Wandelt is accused of pursuing the family by email, call and text claiming to be their missing daughter who was abducted from Portugal in 2007. Karen Sprat is also accused of adopting her claims “with gusto”. Today as the case began Julia Wandelt broke down into...

In this episode Liz and Caroline speak to Danny Bogado, the director of a new Channel 4 documentary called Conviction: The Lucy Letby Case. They discuss why he wanted to make a film on the case, how he recruited contributors and why he feels it is important that audiences make up their own minds about her guilt or innocence. The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words...

Dr Mike Hall was Lucy’s Letby’s key expert witness. But he was never called to give evidence at either of her trials. Caroline and Liz now ask him why. Search: The Trial of Lucy Letby: The Inquiry The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript. Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter . It's free...

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you an exclusive interview with the woman who acted as the intermediary for the boy convicted of murdering Harvey Willgoose. Lucy Swindlehurst reveals the influence she had on the way the trial was conducted, with her colleague Paula Backen giving insight into how intemediaries operate in the court system. The Trial of the High School Stabbing is part of th...

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the verdict from Sheffield Crown Court - guilty. The 15-year-old defendant was convicted following 14 hours 34 minutes of deliberation by a majority of 11 to one. The episode also features an exclusive interview with Harvey’s mother Caroline. The Trial of the High School Stabbing is part of the Crime Desk. Press here to subscribe today for ad-free liste...

The jury in the trial of the killer of Harvey Willgoose are now considering their verdict. They’ve heard all of the evidence and the decision on whether the 15 year old boy on trial is guilty of murder or manslaughter now rests with them. In this episode Caroline and Jack have the final instructions the judge gave them before she told them to start their deliberations. The Trial of the High School...

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the closing arguments from the defence and prosecution before the jury retire to consider their verdicts. Prosecutor Richard Thyne KC said the defendant did not suffer from a loss of self-control when he stabbed Harvey Willgoose, but displayed purposeful and controlled aggression as an act of retribution. Gul Nawaz Hussain KC, for the defence, said the...

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the cross-examination of the boy accused of murdering Harvey Willgoose. He is questioned about the witness accounts of teachers and pupils who saw him acting like he had a knife before the stabbing and the prosecution put its case to him - that he did not lose control when he killed Harvey, but got worked up into a rage. The Trial of the High School Sta...

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the moment the boy accused of murdering Harvey Willgoose describes the fatal stabbing. He claims he only pulled out a knife because he was scared he would get stabbed himself and told a jury he now has no memory of the moment he dealt the deadly blow. The Trial of the High School Stabbing is part of the Crime Desk. Press here to subscribe today for ad-f...

In this episode Caroline and Jack bring you the latest evidence of the boy accused of murdering 15-year-old old Harvey Willgoose, as he tells the court he bought the “scary-looking” knife used in the attack because he was worried about being jumped. He also claimed that Harvey had threatened to stab him on the morning of the killing and described how he had not wanted to back down in a recent soci...

In this episode Caroline and Jack bring you the side of the story the teenage boy accused of murdering Harvey Willgoose told the jury during the trial. He described how he was the victim of bullying since as far back as primary school, which led him to develop anger issues he struggled to control. The Trial of the High School Stabbing is part of the Crime Desk. Press here to subscribe today for ad...

In this episode Caroline and Jack have what the teenage boy on trial said in the moments after he stabbed Harvey Willgoose.  He told police he had the knife for his own protection because he thought he was going to get jumped. He said he was protecting himself. The Trial of the High School Stabbing is part of the Crime Desk. Press here to subscribe today for ad-free listening, full access to...

In January 2023, Constance Marten and Mark Gordon went on the run with their newborn baby Victoria. After a nationwide hunt, the couple were found. Two days later, so was the body of Victoria. Last year a jury found the pair guilty of concealing the birth of a child and perverting the course of justice. However, unable to reach a verdict on the charge of manslaughter, the jury was discharged. Cons...

In January 2023, Constance Marten and Mark Gordon went on the run with their newborn baby Victoria. After a nationwide hunt, the couple were found. Two days later, so was the body of Victoria. Last year a jury found the pair guilty of concealing the birth of a child and perverting the course of justice. However, unable to reach a verdict on the charge of manslaughter, the jury was discharged. Cons...

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the evidence of several teachers who have described the horrifying moment they found 15-year-old Harvey Willgoose had been fatally injured in the school courtyard. The trial also heard that the boy accused of murdering him had a history of being bullied over a medical issue and that he told the headteacher he only brought a knife to school that day beca...

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the first of the pupils to give evidence at the trial of the teenager accused of murdering Harvey Willgoose at a school in Sheffield. One friend of Harvey's told police that the defendant was known to bring weapons into school - and claimed the boy had once asked him to feel the outline of an axe hidden in his trousers. The Trial of the High School Stab...

In this episode Caroline and Jack hear from the teachers at the school where Harvey Willgoose was killed. He was described as a cheeky pupil who never crossed the line and in the hours before he died, he joked that nobody would stab him. The pupil from the same school accused of his murder says he lost control after suffering long-term bullying, violence and poor treatment. The Trial of the High S...

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the prosecution opening in the trial of a 15-year-old accused of murdering a fellow pupil, Harvey Willgoose, at a school in Sheffield in February 2025. The attack happened in the school courtyard just minutes into the lunch break. The boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons, has admitted Harvey’s manslaughter, but denies murder - saying he suffered f...

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the verdicts of the gang accused of the armed heist on Kim Kardashian. Spoiler alert - none of them are going to prison.  The Trial: The Kim Kardashian Hiest is part of the Crime Desk. Press here to subscribe today for ad-free listening, full access to all our shows, early access to new shows, and bonus episodes. Follow us on Instagram @TheTrialPod. Foll...

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the final words from the lawyers of the victims in the case. We heard how Kim Kardashian’s life and liberty have been changed forever, and the jury were also urged not to forget the “forgotten victims” in the case - her friend Simone and the Concierge. We also heard the state prosecutor ask the judge to send the men she alleges are the key players to prison f...

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the evidence from the alleged “mastermind” of the armed robbery of Kim Kardashian. He says he was involved in the heist but it wasn’t his idea and he did none of the planning. He claims a man known as X was in charge. We also have the evidence from another defendant who said he was aware of the Hollywood actor Kim Basinger but said he didn’t know who Kim Kard...

 In this episode Caroline and Nick have the testimony of the people on trial. Only two of the ten admit being involved in the armed robbery of Kim Kardashian, and it’s now their turn to persuade the court they are telling the truth. We also have the evidence of the man who wrote the book called “I Kidnapped Kim Kardashian” and we heard about a Gangster’s Lunch where members of the gang allege...

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the moment Kim Kardashian entered a Paris courtroom, faced the alleged gangsters who are accused of robbing her at gun point, and told one of them she forgave him. It was an extraordinary day in court as we heard of the trauma she still suffers after that heist nine years ago. The Trial: The Kim Kardashian Hiest is part of the Crime Desk. Press here to subscr...