The Third Story with Leo Sidran

Joe Dart was on his way to Boston. He had enrolled in the Berklee College of music - a somewhat inevitable step for the young, very talented bass player from rural Michigan who loved funk and soul music. Although he had already been performing regularly in and around his home of Harbor Spriannngs, Michigan, he knew he would have to get out of town to achieve his goal of being a touring and recordi...

John Fields was a normal kid growing up in a normal family in the Boston suburbs, in prime position to take over his father's hosiery business. Instead, he moved to Minneapolis straight after high school to hang out with his uncle Steve Greenberg, whose hit "Funkytown" had been a huge international success. Fields quickly became his uncle's right hand man, learning the ropes as an engineer, produc...

John Leventhal thinks his initial, preanalytical ideas are the good ones. John Leventhal realized that there "really is no daddy, there isn't anybody who really has it all together, knows all the answers. You're kind of in the wilderness. You have to take a chance to fail." John Leventhal isn't sure how to measure success. John Leventhal is a self invented guy. Despite his five Grammys, his critic...

Mary Sweeney needs some air. "There has to be a flow of fast and slow, and a pause to allow the listener or the spectator to digest and to project their own thoughts." She thinks I should leave more space in my podcasts, to let it breathe. She tells me this as we sit in the screened in porch behind her summer house in Madison, Wisconsin. As she tells me this, cicadas chirp loudly, as if to undersc...

I first reached out to Nate Chinen to do an interview in 2015. At that time, I knew him as the jazz critic for the New York Times and a columnist for Jazz Times, and I also loved the book he wrote with George Wein Myself Among Others . (I interviewed George a few years ago as well.) In the intervening years, Nate left the New York Times, became the Director of Editorial Content at WBGO (one of the...

Sociologist and musician Howard S. Becker is 90 years old. While he is best known for his contributions to the sociology of deviance, sociology of art and sociology of music (his book Oustiders from 1963 was one of the first and most influential books on deviance), he also spent many of his early years playing piano in taverns, saloons and even strip clubs. As a young man in Chicago, while attendi...

Madison, Wisconsin in the 1960s was one of the most radicalized university campuses in the country. It was a center for the kind of counter culture that has come to feel like a cliché today. There was plenty of sex, drugs, and rock & roll, sure. But there was also political activism, civil rights, environmentalism. Because of the University of Wisconsin, thousands of young people move through Madi...

What is there to say about guitarist Lage Lund that hasn't already been said? Not much. And plenty. Lage has been a fixture on the New York jazz scene since moving here in the early 2000s as a "skinny kid from Norway with dreads". The dreads are long gone, and there is very little about him today to indicate that he grew up in a small Norwegian city (Skien) where he had to take a three hour train...

Talking to Brendan B. Brown about his life and music is like talking to a dozen guys at once. There's the singer-songwriter - the guy who wrote the hit song "Teenage Dirtbag" and created the band Wheatus nearly 2 decades ago, and who has been riding that wave ever since. This is the guy who writes brilliant, provocative, genre bending pop songs, and who tours stadiums in the UK and Australia. Ther...

Joe Goodkin was a part time singer songwriter, part time paralegal with a penchant for classical Greece and a sensitive side. After years of playing in bands he realized that the big record contract was not coming anytime soon and taking a band on the road was economically impossible. But he knew there was a place for him as a musical storyteller. One day, he dusted off a project he had started wh...

"If you're not sad you're not paying very much attention." Donovan Woods has a talent for writing songs that feel like "real life": Funny and sad at the same time, plain spoken and poetic in the same breath, nostalgic and hopeful at once. As he says, "Two opposing ideas can be true at the same time."  So it's no surprise that he named his latest album Both Ways . He says that when he thinks about...

Nate Wood is a drummer, bassist, guitarist, singer-songwriter, mixing and mastering engineer. Raised and educated in Los Angeles, he joined the band Kneebody in 2001 (along with former Third Story guest Ben Wendel).  Eventually Nate moved to New York where he has been a fixture on the scene for years, working as both drummer and bassist for the likes of Donny McCaslin and Wayne Krantz. In fact, it...

Larry Klein started out as a musician's musician before becoming a producer's producer. At a young age he was playing bass with his heroes in the jazz world, including a long and creative stint with trumpeter Freddie Hubbard in the late 1970s and early 1980s. The way he explains it, Klein became more drawn to the world of songs, singers and popular music, and put off by the jazz insiders' insisten...

Rapper, singer, spoken word artist, writer, and science nerd Dessa is an open book. As a young girl in Minneapolis, she dreamed of being a writer, and in high school she submitted essays unsolicited to the New Yorker. She refused to speak the Spanish own heritage (she's half Puerto Rican) and instead insisted on learning French. She was, in her own mind, headed for a literary life on the Upper Eas...

Lorrie Moore is the kind of writer that inspires real devotion from her readers. She's best known as a writer of short stories, although she has also published novels and critical essays. See What Can Be Done, a collection of essays and reviews (many of which were originally published in the New York Review of Books) was published this month. Lorrie is also a beloved creative writing teacher. She...

Four years and 100 episodes later, I'm still going. What a trip. This week, I take a moment to reflect with one of the most surprising and flattering guest hosts I've ever had: my wife, Amanda. I write this in from pitch black hotel room in Palm Springs. Last night on the plane I made a list of all my guests so far (hopefully I haven't overlooked anyone too serious), and organized them into catego...

To call Larry "Ratso" Sloman a writer is not at all inaccurate - he is a writer. But he's so much more. Sloman perfected the art of hanging out and he turned that art into a career. Here he talks about how studying sociology influenced his thinking and gave him a way to be inside the revolution and outside at the same time. Allen Ginsberg, The Fugs, Abbie Hoffman, Al Goldstein (Screw Magazine), Ki...

Singer Achinoam Nini (Noa) and guitarist Gil Dor on their nearly 30 year long creative partnership, how popular culture has developed in Israel, how they handle the responsibility of their success in such a politicized and charged atmosphere. Noa and Gil shared their unique and provocative viewpoint on Israel, describing the "war between the Jewish people and the State of Israel" and explaining in...

Louis Cato is living proof that some people are simply given a gift. Born in Lisbon, Portugal and raised mostly in North Carolina, Louis began playing drums at age 2. By the time he started high school he was a credible drummer, bassist, guitarist, trombone and tuba player. He found his way deeper and deeper into music despite the fact that, as he says, he was "raised in a bubble". Louis didn't he...

Liberty Devitto says he was lucky to be the right age when The Beatles appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show. He learned to play drums by listening to Ringo Starr's parts and playing along to records. Why the drums? "Because they didn't make Prozac back then." Still, Liberty says he "likes music better than drums". Maybe that's why he's often called a song drummer . In the recording studio, he's much m...

Guitarist, bandleader, and label owner Jon Madof talks about how music and spirituality are related, what it means to create your own kind of authenticity, the difference between a job and a mission, and whether or not an artist's work can be separated from their personal behavior. Jon's band, Zion80 released their most recent album on Jon's newly formed Chant Records label, which he launched in l...

Singer, songwriter, and illustrator Nadia Ackerman's journey started in Australia. But early on, she knew she was leaving, and she was pretty sure America was the destination. Although she was already a jazz singer by the age of 20, it wasn't so much the scene in New York that called to her at first so much as it was the American TV shows she loved, like The Brady Bunch. But after spending a summe...

In this, the second of a two part Best of 2017 series, fragments of various episodes are strung together in order to tease out the big ideas, the underlying themes, and the tiny obsessions that have been propelling the podcast all year. Best of 2017 Part 1 looked at community and how community informs creative work. This second part looks at the more interior questions of process, identity and des...

I think we can all agree that 2017 was an unusual year. It was intense, confusing, emotional. A little less than a year ago, as I decided to resume another "season" of episodes, I was determined to focus on community and on positivity through art and creative expression. At least, that's what I told myself, and it's also what I told you. In the introduction to the first episode of 2017, an intervi...

Clifford Irving was a great writer, and a great character. Although he published 20 novels, he was probably best known for a hoax "autobiography" allegedly written as told to Irving by billionaire recluse Howard Hughes. By the time I met Clifford, he was a gentle old man. We talked during the winter of 2016 about his life, his career, and his general world view. Clifford passed away on December 19...