The Third Layer

In this conversation, Jason Johnson, CEO of Metro National, shares the rich history of the family-owned real estate development company founded by his grandfather in 1954. He discusses the importance of building relationships in acquiring land, the vision of creating a 'city within a city', and the expansion into various sectors beyond retail. Jason emphasizes the significance of long-term thinkin...

In this conversation, Francis Hall Chaney III shares the rich history of Chaney Enterprises, founded by his grandfather in 1962. He discusses the evolution of the company through various leadership changes, emphasizing the importance of culture, community engagement, and the dynamics of running a family business. Francis reflects on his upbringing in the family business, the lessons learned, and t...

In this episode, Jeff Oddo shares the journey of transforming his family's janitorial business into a nationwide franchise powerhouse. From early leadership failures and emotional burnout to rediscovering purpose through significance and servant leadership, Jeff reveals how vision, values, and vulnerability fueled massive growth. Learn how City Wide grew from one company to over 100 franchises — a...

In this conversation, Wiley shares insights about his father, Pat Curran, and the lessons learned from his legacy in business. The discussion covers Pat's approach to leadership, the importance of customer focus, teamwork, and the transition of leadership within the family business. Wiley also introduces CPC, a long-term investment strategy that emphasizes building and holding businesses for the f...

In this conversation, Brett Kaufman shares his journey from growing up in a family with complex dynamics to founding Kaufman Development. He discusses the influence of his family, particularly his father and stepfather, on his career choices and personal development. Brett reflects on the expectations placed on him as a child, the challenges he faced, and the importance of gaining experience outsi...

In this conversation, Stephen shares his journey from humble beginnings to leading J & B Healthcare, a family business focused on providing affordable and accessible healthcare. He reflects on the influence of his parents and grandmother, the importance of servant leadership, and the role of authenticity in business. Stephen emphasizes the significance of family values, community impact, and the l...

In this conversation, Ben DuPont shares insights into the rich history of the DuPont family and their business, which has been a significant part of American industry since its founding in 1802. He discusses the evolution of the company, its diversification strategies, and the family's ongoing legacy in philanthropy and innovation. Ben also reflects on his personal journey, including his entrepren...

In this conversation, Rebecca Polan shares the rich history of her family's business, which dates back to 1911, and discusses the evolution of the company from a furniture store to a multifaceted real estate and manufacturing enterprise. She reflects on the generational transitions within the business, her personal journey in deciding to join the family business, and the complexities of navigating...

In this conversation, Richard Altieri discusses the dynamics of managing a family business, emphasizing the importance of communication, alignment, and stewardship among family members. He shares insights on maintaining family connections through events, valuing diverse contributions from family members, and the challenges of transitioning leadership roles. Richard reflects on his journey of getti...

In this conversation, David Dragoo shares his journey as an entrepreneur in the outdoor industry, particularly in fly fishing through his company Mayfly. He discusses the importance of culture, values, and team dynamics in building successful businesses, both in the outdoor sector and in his family real estate business. David emphasizes the significance of hiring individuals who align with the com...

In this conversation, Brandon shares the rich history of his family business, rooted in his grandfather's entrepreneurial journey. He discusses the complexities of navigating family dynamics and wealth, the transition from a culinary career to managing a family office, and the evolution into a multifamily office. Brandon emphasizes the importance of balancing financial capital with human capital,...

In this conversation, Tyler Nottberg, Chief Optimist at U.S. Engineering, shares his unique journey from a background in political philosophy to leading a fifth-generation family business. He discusses the challenges and opportunities of entering the family business after the loss of his father, the importance of leadership and culture, and his philosophy of optimism in overcoming challenges. Tyle...

In this engaging conversation, Andy Eby shares his journey from aspiring NFL player to leading Bickford Senior Living, a family business dedicated to caregiving. He discusses the importance of purpose in leadership, the challenges of navigating the healthcare industry, and the significance of personal development through community and coaching. Eby's experiences highlight the deep connections betw...

Welcome to The Third Layer Podcast , hosted by Marshall Lockton—partner at the Knight Agency and shareholder at Lockton Companies—as he uncovers the inspiring stories behind thriving, multi-generational family businesses. Each episode dives deep into how leaders grow with purpose, shape intentional cultures, and create lasting legacies across generations. Tune in to explore the most important less...