The Tea Leaves Podcast

For all the promise and potential that Asia has to offer for the world, what challenges does the region face? In this latest Tea Leaves discussion, Kurt and Rich sit down with Vasuki Shastry to take a more counterintuitive approach to Asia’s future and examine the region through a more critical lens, touching on social fault lines and wealth disparities that exist in the region today. Using Shastr...

In this Tea Leaves episode, Kurt is joined by TAG Partner Rexon Ryu to welcome on General Dave Goldfein, recently-retired Chief of Staff of the U.S. Air Force. General Goldfein shares his experiences guiding the 650,000 active-duty, Guard, Reserve, and civilian personnel that make up the U.S. Air Force through the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic. The three also discuss the future of the Air Force i...

In this Tea Leaves conversation, Kurt and Rich talk with Peter Martin, defense policy and intelligence reporter at Bloomberg LP and the author of “China’s Civilian Army: The Making of Wolf Warrior Diplomacy.” Peter gives an overview of China’s diplomatic corps and expanding global diplomatic footprint, discusses the roots of “Wolf Warrior Diplomacy,” and describes also the dynamics, strategies, an...

What’s next for the United States when it comes to trade? Is it ready, from a domestic politics perspective, to engage more deeply with its Asian partners? Kurt Campbell is joined by TAG Partner Kurt Tong for a conversation on all things trade with Wendy Cutler, Vice President and Managing Director of the Asia Society Policy Institute’s Washington, DC office. Wendy also discusses digital trade and...

In this Tea Leaves episode, Kurt talks with Robert Zoellick, former president of the World Bank and a distinguished diplomat, about diplomatic history as a tool to educate future policymakers in government. Using Bob’s newly published book: “America in the World: A History of U.S. Diplomacy and Foreign Policy,” the two dive into specific events in U.S. history – including events before the outbrea...

In this Tea Leaves conversation, Kurt and Rich sit down with one of the leading energy policy experts in the world – Dr. Daniel Yergin. The three discuss the significant geopolitical ramifications of U.S. energy independence following the shale gas revolution. Dr. Yergin also discusses the emergence of a mixed global energy system as well as the complexities associated with nuclear power as an ene...

In this Tea Leaves episode, Kurt and Rich are joined by Ben Bland, Director of the Southeast Asia program at the Lowy Institute. Ben, currently based in Sydney, shares important insights from his new book, “Man of Contradictions: Joko Widodo and the Struggle to Remake Indonesia,” which is the first English-language biography of Indonesian President Joko Widodo. The three roll back the curtain on I...

On this Tea Leaves episode, Kurt and Rich talk with Larry La, owner of Meiwah Restaurant, a DC favorite frequented by former presidents, diplomats, and global celebrities. Larry shares his experiences as a restauranteur amid the ongoing pandemic, his Vietnamese roots, and his inspiring story as an American immigrant moving to the country in the late 1970s. The full video of this conversation can b...

In this Tea Leaves episode, Kurt and Rich talk with Ambassador Capricia Marshall, former U.S. Chief of Protocol. The three discuss the significance of gift-giving at the highest levels of government, Capricia’s experiences in her roles supporting the Clinton administration and Obama administration, and her recently published book, “Protocol: The Power of Diplomacy and How to Make It Work for You.”...

In this Tea Leaves episode, Rich and Nirav are joined by TAG Ambassador Pham Vinh in Hanoi for an assessment of U.S.-Vietnam ties after 25 years of diplomatic normalization. The three also discuss Ambassador Vinh’s personal experiences growing up in Vietnam and his time as Vietnamese Ambassador to the United States. To access the video of the conversation with Ambassador Vinh, please visit: https:...

In this Tea Leaves episode, Kurt and Rich talk with Chris Brose from Anduril Industries to talk about the future of U.S. military power in Asia and Chris' new book, "The Kill Chain." The three also discuss Chris' time working as staff director of the Senate Armed Services Committee and his personal experiences working with the late U.S. Senator John McCain. The video of this co...

Dr. Anthony Fauci joins Kurt and Rich in this latest Tea Leaves episode to talk about the COVID-19 situation in the United States and prospects for a second wave. The three also discuss Dr. Fauci’s extensive research on HIV/AIDS and how it has helped him in his experiences addressing COVID-19. Dr. Fauci also shares some of his experiences with dealing with the pandemic on a personal level and offe...

In this Tea Leaves episode, Kurt and Rich chat with Fred Hochberg, former Chairman of the U.S. Export-Import Bank (EXIM) about how the historical underpinnings of tariffs, the role of the EXIM Bank and how it will play a more significant role in the post-COVID environment, and the role of U.S. international economic policy. The three also talk about Washington’s trade policies in the context of th...

In this Tea Leaves episode, Rich talks with Tanvi Madan from Brookings Institute about the roots of India’s complex relationship with China and its role in shaping U.S.-India relations during the Cold War. Tanvi and Rich also talk about the implications of China-Russia and China-Pakistan defense relations on Indian foreign policy and Indian perceptions of U.S. reliability and the renewed rise in U...

In the first of a series of Tea Leaves’ remote recording sessions as The Asia Group practices social distancing, Kurt and Rich discuss the latest on the coronavirus outbreak. Kurt shares some of his thoughts on how COVID-19 could be a “Suez Moment” for U.S. leadership on the world stage, while Rich assesses Washington’s economic and political response to the crisis and shares his thoughts on India...

In this Tea Leaves episode, Kurt sits down with Tom Nides, a Managing Partner and Vice Chairman of Morgan Stanley and former U.S. Deputy Secretary of State for Management and Resources. Kurt and Tom discuss the latest on the coronavirus outbreak, long-term prospects for foreign investment banks and other financial institutions in the Indo-Pacific, and Tom’s deep experience in both the private sect...

In 2012, Jean Lee opened the AP’s bureau in Pyongyang – becoming the first international news organization with a full-time presence North Korea in words, pictures, and video. In this latest Tea Leaves episode, Jean sits down with Kurt and The Asia Group Senior Advisor Ambassador Joe Yun. The three discuss Jean’s number of years living in North Korea and the unique on-the-ground insights that she...

In this Tea Leaves episode, Kurt chats with Dr. Joseph Nye, one of the leading thinkers on U.S. foreign policy and grand strategy, about morality and leadership in foreign affairs and the state of the Indo-Pacific. The two also examine the evolution of the U.S.-China-Japan relationship since the Clinton era and how the United States should approach China.

Kurt and Rich sit down with former Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) Admiral John Richardson on this Tea Leaves episode. Admiral Richardson shares what it was like being CNO, his thoughts on military discipline and learning from mistakes, and the state of the Navy today. The three also discuss the Pentagon’s reaction to recent events in the Middle East and in Iran, as well as how the United States’...

In this Tea Leaves episode, Kurt sits down with leading South Asia foreign policy and defense experts Ashley Tellis, Admiral John Richardson, and Alyssa Ayres in a discussion at the Atlantic Council to discuss the U.S.-India relationship and India’s future role in the region amid a rising China.

"He was the most famous, and arguably the most beloved man in the world in the decade of the 1950s. And yet he always found a way to say, 'your work is more important than what I’m doing.'” Sixty years ago, on December 11, 1959, U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower during his historic visit to India gave a speech that makes reference to the world in 2019. This Tea Leaves episode covers...

Piper Stover, CEO and co-founder of BINC Technologies, sits down with Kurt and Rich in this latest Tea Leaves episode. The three discuss U.S.-China technological competition, domestic Chinese political sentiment, and Piper’s extensive career in the tech space in both China and the United States.

Amy Searight, Senior Advisor and Director of the Southeast Asia Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), joins Kurt and Rich on this latest episode of Tea Leaves. Amy shares her observations about the geopolitical and macroeconomic dynamics that are animating the Southeast Asia region today. The three also discuss Southeast Asia’s evolving perceptions of Trump’s leader...

Originally aired on September 3, 2018.As chairman and CEO of Cisco, John Chambers guided the company to $47 billion in revenue and developed a reputation as one of the tech industry’s most successful and impressive leaders. In this episode, Rich joins Chambers in the heart of Silicon Valley to discuss Chambers’ upbringing in West Virginia and how he worked his way to become a tech titan. The two t...

In this Tea Leaves episode, Kurt and Rich sit down with John Gans, Director of Communications and Research for Perry World House and former chief speechwriter to Secretary of Defense Ash Carter at the Pentagon. Kurt and Rich chat with John about his new book, “White House Warriors: How the National Security Council Transformed the American Way of War” and dive into the inner workings of the Nation...