Toni Hohlbein & Raul Porojan
The Revenue Formula
This podcast is about scaling tech startups. Hosted by Toni Hohlbein & Raul Porojan, together they look at the full funnel. With a combined 20 years of experience in B2B SaaS and 3 exits, they discuss growing pains, challenges and opportunities they’ve faced. Whether you're working in RevOps, sales, operations, finance or marketing - if you care about revenue, you'll care about this podcast. If there’s one thing they hate, it’s talk. We know, it’s a bit of an oxymoron. But execution and focus is the key - that’s why each episode is designed to give 1-2 very concrete takeaways.
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Nov 25, 2025
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Episodes
Strategic Revenue Operations (With Mallory Lee, VP Operations at Nylas) 14.09.2023 41:14
What does strategic RevOps look like, and how do you manage revenue production from RevOps? That’s exactly what we discussed with Mallory Lee , VP Operations at Nylas. (00:00) - Introduction (01:09) - Meet Mallory (02:48) - The difference between RevOps and unified RevOps (07:34) - Being a Strategic RevOps professional (11:32) - Weekly forecast meetings (15:39) - One KPI (21:34) - How do you get...
4 things great teams do now 12.09.2023 30:41
We've talked with a bunch of great folks. To help you improve GTM performance, we've distilled it into 4 things top teams are doing today. And... we've added a bonus, so it's really 5. (00:00) - Introduction (02:32) - What the great teams are doing (03:35) - More AEs doesn't mean more deals (08:31) - Unblend the funnel and optimize resource allocation (13:43) - Focus on the skill level (18:03) - T...
What unicorns know (with Pablo Dominguez, Operating Partner at Insight Partners) 07.09.2023 47:34
Can you do less to achieve more? How did Gainsight drastically improve onboarding time? And what do unicorns really know? That's exactly what we talked with Pablo Dominguez about. (00:00) - Introduction (04:15) - Continuous improvement (14:36) - Efficiency as a competitive advantage (16:08) - Cutting the salescycle in half (19:51) - Going down market via efficiency (26:21) - Finite resources, fini...
The 2 things for your revenue plan 05.09.2023 26:11
Don't start planning i February. You can start with a simple approach already now - and you'll just need two things. (00:00) - Introduction (04:14) - Push for early planning (08:06) - 2 Questions for the CFO (12:55) - How many can you hire? (15:03) - Tapping into FP&A (18:17) - And when there's disagreement? (24:53) - Wrapup
Revenue motions at scale (with Alina Vandenberghe, Co-founder & Co-CEO at Chili Piper) 31.08.2023 42:38
How do you orchestrate revenue motions at scale? And how do you successfully go from one to many motions? This and more, we talked with Alina Vandenberghe (Co-founder & Co-CEO at Chili Piper ) about. (00:00) - Introduction (06:33) - When a motion stops working (08:34) - Going from motion to motions (10:36) - Involving the team (13:17) - The outbound motion (17:59) - When was brand ready for ou...
Become unfireable 29.08.2023 33:10
What does it take to become unfireable as a revenue leader? We boiled it down to three things you should do (besides just hitting target) (00:00) - Introduction (02:27) - Who's usually at risk? (05:48) - Are some roles more vulnerable? (08:47) - What are the table stakes? (10:12) - Keep a pulse on these 3 daily (10:45) - How's this quarter looking? (15:29) - And what about.. next quarter? (20:31)...
From marketing plan to revenue plan (with Chris Walker, CEO at Refine Labs) 24.08.2023 49:06
It's time to rethink marketing planning. It needs to factor in revenue and not drown sales in dead-end leads. Together with Chris Walker, we talked about the problems with planning and how to apply a business mindset to marketing planning. (00:00) - Introduction (04:07) - Planning in reverse (05:34) - The first step - where do you capture demand? (07:50) - Second step - Creating net new demand (09...
The trillion dollar problem: Revenue Leakage 22.08.2023 34:38
Every year roughly $2 trillion goes away unnoticed for companies. It's called revenue leakage. In this episode, we dive deeper into this massive opportunity: (00:00) - Introduction (02:38) - Revenue Leakage.. Cool... But what is it? (04:32) - How big of a problem is revenue leakage? (06:55) - Examples of revenue leakage (10:24) - How do you prevent Revenue Leakage? (11:49) - Time leakage (14:50) -...
Why performance is down & what to do (With Jacco van der Kooij) 17.08.2023 52:51
You've seen the research, maybe the problems. Performance is down across the board. In this episode, we talk with Jacco van der Kooij from Winning By Design about where we're coming from, what's change - and how to solve performance going forward. (00:00) - Introduction (02:18) - Where is SaaS today? (05:13) - Who do we blame? (07:48) - Then everything got worse (15:10) - Abusing PLG (18:50) - Wha...
RevOps aren't system admins 14.08.2023 31:26
Revenue Operations should do more than service commercial teams. Yet most struggle to articulate what strategic revops looks like. That's exactly what we cover in this episode - how to become an advisor and actively help grow revenue, rather than just doing salesforce validation rules.. In the episode, we cover: (00:00) - Introduction (01:57) - Don't get blinded by software (05:31) - Everyone stru...
Special: What you need to know about brand (With Udi Ledergor) 10.08.2023 46:56
Everyone agrees brand is important, but struggle to articulate why or even how to manage it. That's why we brought on Udi Ledergor from Gong to share his insights from building the gong brand. We get into: (00:00) - Introduction (02:29) - Why brands don't invest in branding (03:37) - What does brand even mean? (06:14) - Why even consider brand? (09:36) - Creating a category (15:48) - Brand at the...
1 year in 30 min: 6 things you've missed 08.08.2023 29:37
One year has passed, and maybe you've missed an episode or two. In this episode we've picked our 6 favorite takeaways and distilled them in a short 30 min episode. This is what we covered: (00:00) - Introduction (01:56) - Quick review of year 1 (05:23) - 1: the 10% rule to double revenue (08:57) - 2: CAC is useless (12:08) - 3: Want sales consistenct? Try this (18:19) - 4: 200 QBRs later, they're...
Cash Cows and Stars: Allocate resources like this 01.08.2023 33:35
What if you had $10 million to allocate in 2024? How do you know to spend that cash in the best possible way? Simple: act like a portfolio manager. In this episode, we borrow lessons from Boston Consulting Group's Growth Share Matrix and show you how you can apply that to your revenue engine. After this, you'll never look at your GTM strategy the same way again. Read More: https://growblocks.com/b...
Forget alignment, just agree on this 25.07.2023 30:37
In this episode, we want you to forget all about the word alignment. Because even if you do achieve it, it won't drive growth on its own. Alignment should be an outcome, not a tactic. In this episode, we explain why the classic concept of alignment is broken and what 3 things you should have your team focus agree on instead to drive efficiency.
If your target is at risk, listen to this 18.07.2023 30:49
2/3 sales reps aren't completing quota. Sales cycles are extending. Win rates are down. Yeah it's tough - that's why we cover what you can do to get back on track. What we covered 👇 (00:00) - Introduction (01:35) - The problems in SaaS (05:05) - Only 2 out of 3 reps hit quota (06:44) - We need an impact now (07:28) - First step - do the analysis (09:09) - Time is neglected (12:09) - Where is the...
NPS Sucks 11.07.2023 31:12
Net promoter score is terrible - it's become useless for SaaS. We discuss the problems with it, and how to fix it. (00:00) - Introduction (01:39) - The old framework: Net promoter score (04:47) - The problem with NPS (06:21) - It's self-correcting (07:29) - A metric that can be gamed nicely (09:35) - Promoter today, detractor tomorrow (10:15) - A honeypot for promoters (11:35) - Are the teams usin...
Drive customer growth 04.07.2023 28:38
The biggest growth lever you have? It's your customers. In this episode we talk about CSMs, incentives and 4 common expansion strategies. (00:00) - Introduction (02:17) - The CSM rule of thumb (04:39) - It's decided then, this year we focus on our customers (08:31) - The role of the CSM (11:33) - 4+2 ways to drive expansions (12:06) - Usage (12:53) - Tiered (13:31) - Add-on (13:56) - Products (14:...
Special: Revenue Planning (With Ben Murray) 29.06.2023 41:04
We’ve been zinging finance a bit on the show. Today we decided to invite a SaaS CFO, Ben Murray. We talked about how the two functions should create a solid revenue plan together - how to manage crazy ambitions and much more. (00:00) - Introduction: Finance + RevOps (03:52) - How the CFO sees RevOps (05:22) - The focus is on sales and marketing (07:09) - Getting operational (08:32) - CFOs (10:43)...
Pipeline coverage is worthless 27.06.2023 25:57
You have a pipeline coverage ratio (PLC) of 10x. Is that good? Is it bad? Will you hit target? Will you team understand it? The only thing you know for sure: It needs a winrate of 10% to work out. But how do you use it operationally? Well.. It's pretty difficult. We dive into the problems with PLC in this episode. (00:00) - Introduction (01:26) - Pipeline coverage isn't helpful (11:53) - Pipeline...
Churn is dying, let’s save it 20.06.2023 30:27
You can calculate churn however you want. The problem? Churn as a metric will start to lose meaning. Toni and Mikkel discuss the different options to make it useful. (00:00) - Introduction (01:58) - What churn was used for (04:35) - The intention behind churn (07:36) - Churn definitions from public companies (10:46) - The most brutal churn (12:42) - So what do you do with churn? (18:43) - Collater...
Want predictable revenue? This'll help 13.06.2023 31:18
The most predictability businesses have for revenue is the forecast. But what are some other simple steps you can take to build more predictability on revenue? Toni and Mikkel discuss non-magic steps you can take towards predictable revenue. The industrialization of sales (05:09) How to go about it (06:32) Giving targets to your team (08:31) Steer clear of magic (10:31) The 10% rule (11:02) Give q...
Special: Leah Tharin on Modelling PLG 08.06.2023 44:30
Product led growth is still all the rave. But is PLG right for you? How do you build the business case and how do you think about modeling it out? We're not experts in PLG. Fortunately we brought on Leah Tharin who is to discuss it. Here's what we covered: First: Is PLG right for you? (07:54) 2 stages where you can implement PLG (09:54) PLG is not about acquisition (11:08) Can you easily explain...
4 Steps to create data trust 06.06.2023 33:13
"I don't have that number!"... "where did you get that data from?".. Ugh, so many objections to data, and the worst part? You get stuck chasing data perfection (which is an endless endeavour). Instead, follow this simple framework to create data trust. And the best part? It's self validating over time. In the episode, we discuss: The problem with data (02:19) Biases that break data (04:00) How to...
Want sales consistency? Try this 30.05.2023 31:43
If you want predictable revenue, you need sales consistency. Not a "backlog" quarter where 80% of deals close in the last two weeks. That's pretty stressful - so we decided to share 3 ways you can work towards more consistency in your sales. We covered: The Unicorn of Sales: Consistency (01:47) The 80% of sales efficiency (05:00) #1 - Onboarding & offboarding (05:23) #2 - It's all about opport...
The best ways to screw up comp plans 23.05.2023 33:31
There are things that just shouldn't be in sales comp plans. And then there are things that definitely should be. In this episode we talk about a simple approach to drive the right behaviour for you and the sales team. Clawbacks (04:47) Step functions (08:40) Capped comp (10:42) Cliffs (12:56) Put this in your comp plans: Kickers (14:18) Negative kickers or debuffs (18:28) Contract length (18:40)...
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