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The Rest Is Money
Robert Peston and Steph McGovern bring you insightful business and finance stories. Join Robert Peston and Steph McGovern as they delve into the key challenges and opportunities facing today’s business world. From the complexities of tech investments to the impact of political decisions on global markets, this podcast offers valuable perspectives on current financial topics. Whether discussing business funding, economic policies, or corporate strategies, they provide listeners with the tools to understand today’s fast-evolving market. Each episode brings expert analysis on important issues, in...
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Episodes
244. Why Lord Frost wants a Thatcher revival 19.01.2026 41:49
Does the negotiator of Britain’s exit from the EU accept Brexit has failed? What in Liz Truss’s disastrous mini budget does he still endorse? What are his plans to revive the think tank that gave us Thatcherism? In this episode, Steph and Robert sit down with Lord David Frost - the Brexit negotiator turned head of the Institute of Economic Affairs. They examine whether his climate “realism” is in...
243. Identity crisis: why the government can't make up its mind about Digital IDs 15.01.2026 56:19
Are the u-turns on ID cards and business rates bad for the economy? Can the Northern Powerhouse Rail deliver what it’s promising? And why is Donald Trump strong-arming banks and oil companies in a way that looks more like old-fashioned state socialism than free-market capitalism? Steph and Robert examine Labour’s modernisation agenda and ask whether Donald Trump has swapped free-market economics f...
242. Ignore the doomsayers - the UK is innovating 12.01.2026 48:19
Why is Britain’s innovation economy is the strongest in Europe? What can the government do to strengthen it further? And can the UK outperform even America and China? Steph and Robert sit down with 'professional optimist' Saul Klein, Co-Founder & Executive Chair of Phoenix Court and venture capital investor, who explains why the foundations of new UK enterprise are stronger than at any time since...
241. Greenland’s magnetic attraction: why Trump wants it all for himself 08.01.2026 44:00
Why is the Trump land grab as much about the economic war with China as it is about defence? How is his obsession with Greenland linked to magnets vital to energy, missiles and communication? And why are the PayPal mafia in lead roles? Steph and Robert assess Trump’s empire building and whether Kier Starmer has finally discovered how to be cheerful about the economy Email: the...
240. Levelling Up 2.0: What Actually Works for Regional Growth? 05.01.2026 40:13
Why is Slough twice as productive as Mansfield? What’s the secret to reviving the economy in the North? Can we save the high street in 2026? Steph and Robert speak to Andrew Carter, CEO of Centre For Cities, a leading think tank focussed on how to improve the performance of our towns and cities. Email: therestismoney@goalhanger.com...
239. 2026 Predictions: a bubble bursts, Starmer’s only hope & Trump’s vulnerability 01.01.2026 43:49
Will Starmer survive? Who will win the economic war between China and America? Is 2026 when hope returns to Britain? Robert and Steph weigh up 2025 economic results and make some predictions for the year ahead. Email: therestismoney@goalhanger.com X: @TheRestIsMoney...
238. How to prepare the UK workforce when 3 million jobs are at risk 29.12.2025 42:09
How much should school education be about workplace skills and how much about knowledge? Should businesses be more involved in education? Is the assessment of education all wrong? And should learning and qualifications be encouraged at all ages? With up to 3 million UK jobs at risk over the next decade according to the National Foundation for Educational Research, Steph talks to their CEO Carole...
237. The extraordinary story of Britain’s first tech titan 25.12.2025 56:07
Who was Mike Lynch and how did his tech companies make him a billionaire? How did he avoid prison in an American fraud trial when he’d only given himself a 0.4% chance of winning the case? Why did his tragic death spark conspiracy theories around the world? Katie Prescott, technology business editor at The Times, joins Robert and Steph to discuss the extraordinary life and death of a British tech...
236. What M&S can teach Starmer (Part 2) 22.12.2025 35:06
How Chairman Archie Norman and CEO Stuart Machin are turning round one of the UK’s oldest and most iconic businesses, and how the government should watch and learn from it. If M&S can be great again, so can Britain. Email: therestismoney@goalhanger.com X: @TheRestIsMoney...
235. How M&S saw off the cyber criminals and its plan for the next 100 Years (Part 1) 18.12.2025 46:35
Is there any worse trauma for a business than a cyber attack? What should you do if it happens? Plus how do M&S decide when to close a store and, if it does, is that the final nail in the coffin for that town centre? Steph and Robert talk with M&S chairman Archie Norman, about not just any cyber attack, but an M&S cyber attack. Plus what the barometer of British retail is planning to do next. Emai...
234. Is GB Energy Starmer’s missing growth plan? 15.12.2025 50:35
How is GB Energy building a third of Britain's daily energy requirements? Can it hit the government’s clean energy target? And how is it creating high skilled jobs and new cutting edge businesses? Steph and Robert find out from the chair of Great British Energy, Jürgen Maier - the former government advisor and CEO of Siemens UK. Email: therestismoney@goal...
233. The Trump Doctrine: Why Europe Is Failing & Who Wins the Warner Bros Bid? 11.12.2025 44:43
What are the economic and business consequences for Europe of Trump’s National Security Strategy? How is the US president shaping Hollywood’s future as Netflix and Paramount fight for ownership of Warner Bros? And who is missing from the major conflict negations needed for peace and economic prosperity? Robert and Steph assess the impact of the latest manifestations of Trump’s determination to run...
232. How British AI is inventing new materials 08.12.2025 44:42
How is AI being used to transform how we create new materials? Why did the young British AI company doing it raise most money outside the UK? How might this solve some of our biggest problems like climate change and water pollution? Following their conversation with Science Minister Sir Patrick Vallance, Robert and Steph speak to Dr Chad Edwards, the CEO and co-founder of Cusp AI. Email: ...
231. Can The NHS Afford The UK-US Pharma Deal? 04.12.2025 52:07
Why is the NHS paying more for new medicines? Will the government at last buy from British tech companies? How can the UK life sciences be more entrepreneurial? Lord Patrick Vallance, the government's Science, Innovation Research & Nuclear Minister (and former Chief Scientific Advisor), joins Robert and Steph to talk about trade deals, scale-up finance and how investing in the Oxford-Cambridge cor...
230. Dan Neidle on how Reeves’ tax reforms will work 01.12.2025 42:56
Why wasn’t the chancellor more radical? How will the new mileage tax for electric vehicles be collected? Is the new mansion tax fair? Robert and Steph deconstruct the budget with tax expert Dan Neidle. Email: restismoney@gmail.com X: @TheRestIsMoney...
229. BUDGET BONUS: Did the Treasury Lie? 29.11.2025 37:15
Why did the Chancellor and Treasury suggest the public finances are a disaster when they weren’t? Why did the Office for Budget Responsibility call them out? What is the true story behind the income tax u-turn. Steph and Robert discuss. Email: restismoney@gmail.com X: ...
228. BUDGET SPECIAL: Where's The Growth? 27.11.2025 40:56
Do Reeves’s budget sums add up? Who will be hurt by her tax rises? And has she put saving her job above reviving the economy? Steph and Robert discuss. Find out how Google AI is helping fuel the UK's growth and transformation at https://www.goo.gle/10stories Email: restismoney@gmail.com X: ...
227. How Economics Can Stop Us Making Stupid Choices 24.11.2025 39:09
How can governments and businesses nudge us to change our behaviour? Are we too easily manipulated by the private sector? How do we design economic policy for the real world, not mythical perfect markets? Robert speaks to the father of behavioural economics and Nobel prize winner Richard Thaler. For investing, savings, and pensions, the smart money’s with Wealthify. Open your account today at http...
226. Will Labour’s Mansion Tax Backfire? 20.11.2025 40:10
Will growth and savings be hurt by pension tax changes in the budget? Will the property market be whacked by plans to tax high value properties? How will they police a mileage tax on electric cars? Robert and Steph discuss. Find out how Google AI is helping fuel the UK's growth and transformation at https://www.goo.gle/10stories Email: restismoney@gmail.c...
225. How Damaged Is Reeves By Budget Chaos? 17.11.2025 33:19
Why have investors turned against Reeves and Starmer? Was the u-turn on the income tax rise bad economics and bad politics? How will the budget raise the £25bn still needed? Robert and Steph discuss. For investing, savings, and pensions, the smart money’s with Wealthify. Open your account today at https://www.wealthify.com. Wealthify is authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority....
224. Would Ousting Starmer Risk Economic Meltdown? 13.11.2025 41:44
How much will a political coup against the Prime Minister affect the confidence of UK investors? Are Reform capitalising on Rachel Reeves’ negativity? Can the Treasury find enough money to solve the national scandal of deprivation against the backdrop of a £30bn fiscal black hole? Robert and Steph discuss. Get started today at https://www. HubSpot.com Find out how Google AI is helping fuel the UK...
223. Is The AI Boom Like 1929 Or The Dot Com Bubble? 10.11.2025 36:19
What does the 1929 crash teach us about now? Is the AI boom as dangerous as the Great Crash? If it goes pop, what will we be left with? Robert speaks to Andrew Ross Sorkin, New York Times columnist and author of 1929. Get started today at https://www. HubSpot.com For investing, savings, and pensions, the smart money’s with Wealthify. Open your account today at https://www.wealthify.com. Wealthify...
222. The Four Budget Priorities For Rachel Reeves 06.11.2025 33:53
Did the Chancellor’s pre-budget speech work? Why should she increase the basic rate of income tax? Is it time to abolish the pensioner’s triple lock? Robert asks economist Jim O’Neill about the advice he’s been giving the treasury ahead of the budget. Visit: https://www.gov.uk/teachinfurthereducation to find out more Email: restismoney@gmail.com...
221. Why Reeves Should Put Up Income Tax 03.11.2025 43:56
Can the truce between Trump and Xi hold? What should Starmer do now to prepare for the coming AI shock? And how can Reeves’s budget combine tax rises with growth stimulation? Robert talks with Mohamed El-Erian, Professor at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. Get started today at https://www. HubSpot.com For investing, savings, and pensions, the smart money’s with Wealthify. Ope...
220. How Do We Make Big Business Behave? 30.10.2025 37:00
How can investors compel companies to pay the “real” living wage and stop selling foods that make us obese? Can anyone with a pension put pressure on businesses? Why are American fund managers so scared of Trump? Robert speaks to Catherine Howarth, Chief Executive of ShareAction, the leading European NGO that tries to make big business act responsibly. Get started today at https://www. HubSpot.com...
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