Barna Group
The Resilient Pastor
Join pastors Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller as they invite leaders to think out loud together about the challenges and opportunities of leading a church in a rapidly changing world. In each episode, they will have a conversation about church leadership and the challenges pastors are facing. Then, they’ll share a conversation with a pastor, church leader, thinker or theologian about the health of the pastor, the state of the church and what it looks like to love well and lead faithfully.
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Jun 4, 2026
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Episodes
Coming Soon: Season 6 of 'The Resilient Pastor' 30.12.2024 1:04
Send us Fan Mail Join Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller for another season of conversations to equip you in your ministry work. In this upcoming season, we’ll be covering more pressing topics, including the relational health of pastors, engaging with the work of the global church and practical ministry challenges for pastors and leaders. New episodes start on January 2, 2025...
50 | Pete Scazzero on Pastoral Credibility & Establishing Trust Within the Church 26.09.2024 55:42
Send us Fan Mail Pete Scazzero sits down with Rich Villodas to reflect on the lessons learned from his ministry journey. Together, they discuss the unique temptations pastors need to be on guard against, practical ways for pastors to lead out of their marriage and advice for the young leaders to sustain in ministry long-term. Episode Links Watch this episode on Barna’s Youtube Channel Watch the f...
49 | Jimmy and Irene Rollins on Building Healthy Marriages & Relational Support for Pastors 12.09.2024 50:59
Send us Fan Mail Jimmy and Irene Rollins join Sharon Hodde Miller to share their own journey of overcoming addiction and unpack some of the unique challenges facing pastors’ marriages. They also share some practical ways pastors can guard the health of their marriages and offer guidance on ways congregations can better support pastors and their families. Episode Links Watch this episode on Barna’s...
48 | Mark Matlock on Rethinking Evangelism & Reaching the Spiritually Curious 29.08.2024 52:14
Send us Fan Mail Glenn Packiam and Mark Matlock discuss how pastors can create a church environment that is open to spiritual exploration, what needs to change in our current approach to reaching the spiritually curious and some practical tips to starting those conversations. Episode Links Watch this episode on Barna’s Youtube Channel Watch the full State of Pastors webcast replay Access the Stat...
47 | Megan Fate Marshman on Leading Amidst Grief & Learning to Slow Down 15.08.2024 47:19
Send us Fan Mail Rich Villodas sits down with Megan Fate Marshman to discuss the impact of grief on spirituality and how her own grief journey has affected the way she leads. Together, they discuss different struggles she has faced as a preacher and how to slow down in today’s hustle culture. Episode Links Watch this episode on Barna’s Youtube Channel Watch the full State of Pastors webcast repla...
46 | Reward Sibanda on Spiritual Openness in the Next Generation & the Impact of Digital Technology 01.08.2024 51:03
Send us Fan Mail On today’s episode of the Resilient Pastor Podcast, Glenn Packiam and Reward Sibanda discuss the gaps in spiritual openness between the Church and the next generation, the impact of digital spaces and how spiritual disciplines like fasting are connected to holistic renewal. Episode Links Watch this episode on Barna’s Youtube Channel Watch the full State of Pastors webcast replay A...
45 | Michael Wear on Navigating Political Polarization & the Spiritual Impact of Politics 18.07.2024 48:27
Send us Fan Mail Michael Wear sits down with Glenn Packiam to discuss what it looks like for Christians to engage in politics, how spiritual health impacts the state of our politics and some practical ways to navigate political conversations. Michael also shares his personal experience working in the White House and the challenges he’s faced as a Christian in politics. Episode Links Watch this ep...
44 | Daniel Im on Discipleship & Spiritual Formation in a Post-Everything Age 04.07.2024 45:11
Send us Fan Mail Daniel Im joins Glenn Packiam to discuss the challenges and opportunities of leading a church in a post-everything world. Together, they explore the historical context of the church growth movement and its impact on church leadership, emphasizing the critical importance of developing robust discipleship pathways and the key role pastors play in guiding congregations toward spiritu...
43 | Lisa Whittle on the Pastoral Credibility Crisis & Rebuilding Trust 20.06.2024 48:20
Send us Fan Mail In this episode, Glenn, Rich and Sharon sit down to discuss the challenges pastors face in gaining and maintaining trust amidst a crisis of credibility. Then, Lisa Whittle shares her personal experience as the daughter of a pastor who experienced a public fall, emphasizing the need for accountability, compassion and grounding faith in Jesus to rebuild trust and resilience in minis...
42 | Carey Nieuwhof on Developing Next Gen Leaders & Leadership Succession 06.06.2024 56:15
Send us Fan Mail Carey Nieuwhof sits down with Glenn Packiam to talk about the trends he is noticing among younger generations of church leaders, lessons he learned from his pastoral succession at Connexus Church and practical advice he’d give to young leaders entering into ministry. Episode Links Watch this episode on Barna’s Youtube Channel Watch the full State of Pastors webcast replay Access...
41 | Dr. Anita Phillips on Pastors’ Mental Health & Betrayal Trauma 23.05.2024 41:23
Send us Fan Mail In this interview from the State of Pastors webcast , Dr. Anita Phillips joins Sharon Hodde Miller to discuss the similar emotional/mental health risk factors that pastors and entrepreneurs face, the trauma leaders face from relational losses in their churches and the ways that elder boards can better support pastors to get the help they need when they’re struggling. Episode Links...
Coming Soon: Season 5 of ‘The Resilient Pastor’ Podcast 21.05.2024 1:13
Send us Fan Mail Join Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller for more conversations on pastoral well-being, church leadership and navigating the pressing cultural challenges of today. New episodes start on May 23, 2024 and will be released every other Thursday. Subscribe to never miss an episode! Follow along on Youtube . Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? H...
40 | John Mark Comer on Discipleship & Spiritual Formation 16.01.2024 1:07:51
Send us Fan Mail John Mark Comer (teacher, author, founding pastor of Bridgetown Church) sits down with Rich Villodas to discuss what he’s learned as he stepped back from pastoring, why he’s underwhelmed by a Sunday-centric model of discipleship and the formative power that a rule of life has played in his personal life and leadership. Sign up for the State of Pastors Summit . Learn more about Jo...
39 | David Kinnaman on Spiritual Backstories, Deconstruction & Resilience 02.01.2024 47:34
Send us Fan Mail David Kinnaman (CEO, Barna Group) joins Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller to explore current trends in spiritual openness, the factors that contribute to people distancing themselves from the Church and how understanding people's spiritual backstories can be a gateway for meaningful faith conversations. Sign up for the Resilient Pastor cohort . Learn about...
38 | N.T. Wright on Vocation, Lament & Suffering 19.12.2023 59:09
Send us Fan Mail N.T. Wright (theologian and author) discusses with Glenn Packiam what he has learned about the gifts of prayer and lament in the church, trends he is seeing in vocational satisfaction for pastors and the encouragement that Paul’s letter to the Romans has to offer pastors and teachers. Sign up for the Resilient Pastor cohort . Early bird registration ends December 31, 2023. Learn m...
37 | Jeanne Stevens on Community Engagement & Global Outreach 12.12.2023 47:39
Send us Fan Mail Jeanne Stevens (pastor of Soul City Church in Chicago, IL) joins Glenn Packiam to share about how her church is engaging their local community, rethinking what global partnership can look like and what she’s learning about the power of presence through her own leadership journey. Sign up for the Resilient Pastor cohort . Early bird registration ends December 31, 2023. Learn more...
36 | Gabriel Salguero on a Pastoral Approach to Addressing Current Events 28.11.2023 45:41
Send us Fan Mail Gabriel Salguero (pastor of The Gathering Place in Orlando, FL) sits down with Rich Villodas to discuss when to discuss national and local issues, finding balance between the priestly and prophetic callings of pastors and the importance of relational support for church leaders. Together, they also discuss trends he’s observing within the Latino church community and insights they o...
35 | Jess Connolly on Ministry Burnout & Accepting Your Limitations 14.11.2023 48:27
Send us Fan Mail Jess Connolly (author, church planter, coach) talks with Sharon about the overlooked causes of burnout among church leaders. Together, they talk about the importance of not making exceptions to your limitations, the power of the ministry of absence and the important role of rest and time management for sustainable ministry. Check out Jess’s upcoming book, Tired of Being Tired: Rec...
34 | Ike Miller on Redeeming Childhood Wounds & Cultivating Healthy Relationships 31.10.2023 46:48
Send us Fan Mail Ike Miller joins Glenn Packiam to discuss the valuable insights he has gained from church planting, how painful childhood experiences and trauma shape pastor’s leadership styles and how to harness childhood wounds as a source of strength in addressing the needs of your congregation. Check out Ike’s latest book Good Baggage: How Your Difficult Childhood Prepared You for Healthy Rel...
33 | Faith Eury Cho on Navigating Wilderness Seasons & Encountering God's Presence 17.10.2023 48:54
Send us Fan Mail Faith Eury Cho (co-pastor of Mosaic Covenant church) and Glenn Packiam discuss how to handle God's absence, developing awareness of His presence and managing ministry challenges during wilderness seasons. Plus, in the introduction discussion, Rich, Sharon and Glenn share their experiences in leading during spiritually dry spells and encouragement on expanding our understandin...
32 | Ken Shigematsu on Grace, Shame & Developing Healthy Rhythms 03.10.2023 50:37
Send us Fan Mail Ken Shigematsu (Senior Pastor of Tenth Church in Vancouver, BC) joins Glenn Packiam to talk about the role of confession in overcoming shame, the healing power of embracing God’s grace and how a rule of life can help leaders set healthy rhythms of rest and formation in their lives. Check out Ken’s latest book Now I Become Myself: How Deep Grace Heals Our Shame and Restores Our Tr...
31 | Chuck DeGroat on Narcissistic Leadership & Healing from Past Wounds 19.09.2023 44:35
Send us Fan Mail Chuck DeGroat (professor, therapist, author) sits down with Sharon Hodde Miller to talk about how unhealed trauma can cause future leadership challenges and narcissism, practical ways pastors and church leaders can move towards healing from their past and how to lead confidently without feeling overly inhibited by the fear of being a narcissist. Check out Chuck’s latest book When...
Welcome to Season 4 of 'The Resilient Pastor' Podcast 15.09.2023 1:48
Send us Fan Mail Season 4 of The Resilient Pastor podcast will be back on Tuesday! Join Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller for more conversations on pastoral health, church leadership and navigating complex challenges in today’s culture. New episodes start on September 19. Share the Season 4 trailer, and subscribe to The Resilient Pastor wherever you listen to your podcasts.
30 | Beth Moore on Cultivating Resilience & Finding Hope in Hardship 25.07.2023 57:37
Send us Fan Mail Beth Moore (author, speaker, teacher) talks with Sharon Hodde Miller about staying open through criticism, lessons she’s learned from her years in ministry and leaving a legacy for future generations of church leaders. Additionally, Sharon, Glenn and Rich discuss the impact that a leader’s family of origin and patterns of trauma can have on how they show up in their ministry roles...
28 | Bianca Olthoff on Preaching & Church Planting 27.06.2023 47:22
Send us Fan Mail Bianca Olthoff (church planter, author, speaker, podcaster) sits down with Sharon Hodde Miller to talk about some of the emotional tolls of preaching, developing resilience through her journey with church planting and navigating the leadership challenges of political and cultural polarization. Want to learn more about the Resilient Pastor initiative? Home Page Podcast Book Watch...
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