Michaela Anne, Aaron Shafer-Haiss

The Other 22 Hours

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An exploration of the creative life, lived in the in-between. A sanctuary for the creative spirit in a results-obsessed world. Moving beyond the highlight reel, hosts and working musicians Aaron Shafer-Haiss and Michaela Anne facilitate intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with renowned musicians, authors, visual artists and actors about the grit required to sustain a life in the arts. From navigating doubt to finding stillness, this is the reality of the work. Unfiltered.

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Michaela Anne, Aaron Shafer-Haiss

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Music

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Latest episode

Jul 8, 2026

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Episodes

William Prince on joyful presence, intergenerational trauma, and humor. 20.09.2023

William Prince is from the Peguis First Nation - in what is now Manitoba Canada - and a Juno and Canadian Folk Award winning singer-songwriter, who has toured with Neil Young, and Yola, and worked with producer Dave Cobb. We talk about the experience and realities of his people, the generational trauma that is present, how that effects and informs his art and his creativity, and how he sees his ro...

Ezinma on viral moments, continually educating, and scuba diving. 13.09.2023

Ezinma is a violinist, artist, film composer, and educator who became a viral sensation from her performance videos, has released records on Universal Records, performed with Beyonce, Stevie Wonder, Kendrick Lamar, Khalid, Joshua Bell and Yo Yo Ma to name a few, composed the score for numerous films, and founded a non-profit that brings classical music education to underserved communities. We talk...

Duquette Johnston on incarcerated creativity, human design, and scents. 06.09.2023

Duquette Johnston was a member of 90s rock band Verbana, touring with the Foo Fighters and releasing records on Merge and Setanta Records, has released a handful of solo records on labels such as Single Lock Records, owns the clothing and goods shop Club Duquette in Birmingham AL, and also spent time in Etowah County jail. We talk about how that incarceration changed his creative process, his enti...

Jamie Kent on community impact, legislation, plus a live Q&A. 30.08.2023

This is a special live episode taped on stage at Mile of Music Festival in Appleton, WI featuring Jamie Kent - a Billboard charting singer songwriter, entrepreneur, arts advocate, and co-founder of Musicians for a Smoke Free Tennessee, where he worked as a lobbyist to usher through legislation that allows municipalities in TN to ban smoking in public places (such as bars and music venues). We talk...

The Wood Brothers on the illusion of control, enjoyment, and remembering to remember. 23.08.2023

The Wood Brothers are a Grammy-nominated band that have released 12 records on labels such as Blue Note, Southern Ground, Easy Eye Sound, and their own imprint. We have a wide ranging conversation on mental well-being and sustaining a decades-long career, all circling around mindfulness, presence, the illusion of control, and what Chris aptly points out - remembering to remember. Get more access,...

Mary Gauthier on patience in art, persistence in business, and losing with John Prine. 16.08.2023

Mary Gauthier is a Grammy-nominated songwriter and author, who's songs have been recorded by everyone from Tim McGraw and Blake Shelton, to Boy George and Jimmy Buffett. We talk about sobriety, how owning and running restaurants has influenced her music career, writing with veterans, battling homophobia, and so much more, all with a wise dose of patience, and persistence. Get more access, incl...

Katie Pruitt on patience, emotional language, and archery. 09.08.2023

Katie Pruitt is a singer-songwriter on Rounder Records, NPR & NY Times acclaimed, americana award-nominated, and also the host of The Recovering Catholic podcast. We talk about how she navigated, learned, and grew from releasing her much anticipated debut record 1 month before the pandemic started, navigating the pressure to always have output, and the tools she uses to be able to explore heav...

Kaia Kater on the power of shared experiences, speaking out in integrity, and grants. 02.08.2023

Kaia Kater is a Juno and Polaris prize-nominated songwriter from Canada, who also won a Canadian Screen Award for Best Original Song in the BET series 'The Porter'. We talk about how a government-support grant system for the arts effects creativity, the importance of speaking out in integrity, the power in finding communities with shared experiences, and owning vulnerability. Get more acce...

Ron Pope & Blair Clark on staying independent, calculated risks, and letting things pass. 26.07.2023

Ron Pope is a platinum selling independent artist, Blair Clark is CEO and Director of Marketing & Strategy at the independent record label they own - Brooklyn Basement Records - as well as an artist manager, and they are also married. In this special episode we get both the artist's point of view, and the "business" point of view on some of the tools to maintain sanity, and inspira...

Adia Victoria on keeping a sense of self, being in the body, and the forest. 19.07.2023

Adia Victoria is a blues, southern gothic, rock artist who has released 3 records via Atlantic Records, and worked with producers such as Aaron Dessner and T-Bone Burnett. We talk about losing and regaining your sense of self after years of endless touring, writing in motion, the major role of nature in her life and upbringing and much more. Get more access, including exclusive content, advance kn...

Caroline Spence, Erin Rae, Kelsey Waldon & Michaela Anne on competition, community, and cross-stitching. 12.07.2023

This is a special group episode - Caroline Spence, Erin Rae, Kelsey Waldon & Michaela Anne are all acclaimed singer-songwriters having individually played everywhere from The Grand Ol' Opry to Carnegie Hall to Bonnaroo and all over the world. Though they perform independently, they are in constant contact via a long-lasting (5+ year) text thread - forming a tight-knit community which is th...

Alice Gerrard on how to teach yourself, longevity, and authenticity. 05.07.2023

Alice Gerrard, a member of the bluegrass hall of fame, released her first record in 1965 as part of her groundbreaking bluegrass duo with Hazel Dickens, and is still touring and releasing records today at the age of 89! We talk with her about her incredible longevity, how she has taught herself about bluegrass and old-time music, and about becoming such an integral part of the fabric of American f...

David Moore (Bing & Ruth) on interconnectedness, evolving processes, and chefs. 28.06.2023

David Moore is a pianist, composer, and songwriter with many creative outlets, most notably his minimalist/ambient ensemble Bing & Ruth, which has put out records on 4AD and received praise from Pitchfork to Thom Yorke. We talk about his diverse creative appetites, writing retreats, the interconnectedness of everything, and embracing inevitable change in your creative processes as time passes....

Mary Bragg on perceptions, rewrites, and dating your creativity. 21.06.2023

Mary Bragg is an acclaimed songwriter, producer, coach, and on faculty at Berklee School of Music. We go deep on her songwriting process, cowriting dynamics, and how coming out opened up her creativity. Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, special workshops, and more by becoming a member of our Patreon, at...

Hiss Golden Messenger on omnivorous listening, tidal creativity, and the dead. 14.06.2023

Hiss Golden Messenger - the pseudonym for M.C. Taylor - has put out 14+ records since 2009 both independently and via Merge Records, including a Grammy nomination for Best Americana Record in 2019. We chat about the idea of creativity being tidal with ebbs and flows, how exercise and physical activity helps sustain creativity and touring stamina, and artists from The Grateful Dead to Public Enemy...

Elizabeth Cook on living creatively, diversification, and fairy tales. 07.06.2023

Elizabeth Cook has released 7 records, played the Grand Ole Opry 400+ times, hosts Apron Strings on Outlaw Country Sirius XM and Upstream on Circle TV, and is an occasional character on Squidbillies on adult swim (as Tammi). We talk to Elizabeth about her incredible diversity in her creative endeavors, her approach to creating in every facet of life, coming up in the Music Row publishing world and...

Rodney Crowell on failure, knowing when it's done, and vision quests. 31.05.2023

Rodney Crowell is the definition of a legendary songwriter - he has multiple Grammys, 15 #1 singles (5 from 1 record), and everyone from Emmylou Harris to Bob Seger, Waylon Jennings, and George Strait have recorded his songs. He is also incredibly wise, and generous with his insights - we talk with him about failures, using vision quests to reset and recenter, defining success, and how Guy Clark t...

Osei Essed on being open, composing vs songwriting, and defining the language. 24.05.2023

Osei Essed is a film composer and songwriter who has scored films such as Crater (Disney), Unveiled: Surviving La Luz Del Mundo (HBO), The Lincoln Project (Showtime), and Period. End of Sentence (Oscar winner) as well as writing and fronting Brooklyn-based bands The Woes, and Big Hands Rhythm & Blues Band (Ropeadope Records). We talk about having goals and ambition but not being attached to th...

Mark Erelli on the ritual, learning from others, and choosing daily. 17.05.2023

Mark Erelli has released over 16 albums, as well as being an in-demand sideman with the likes of Lori McKenna, Josh Ritter, Paula Cole, Amy Helm and others. We cover a lot of ground in this conversation, from how Mark reaffirms his commitment every day, to leaning on the combination of all of your experiences to get through tough situations, to how he learns from everyone he performs with, to the...

Becca Mancari on owning your creative process, validation vs affirmation, and coping. 10.05.2023

Becca Mancari is an indie folk artist who releases her own records and plays in Bermuda Triangle with Britney Howard (Alabama Shakes), as well as with Hayley Williams (Paramore). We explore the evolution of coping mechanisms, including changing your view of simple self-care as being weak, as well as the power of owning your entire creative process, and how shifting the language you use inwardly ca...

Leyla McCalla on artistic lives as societal change, inspiration from academia, and parenthood. 03.05.2023

Leyla McCalla is a Haitian-American artist who releases records on Anti- Records, is a member of Our Native Daughters, and has been commissioned to create music in conjunction with research at  Duke University. We talk about how living an artistic life, and demonstrating that to a younger generation, is a strong form of societal change, how she juggles immense projects as a mother of three, and ho...

Lucius on continual reinvention, building a team, and chores. 26.04.2023

Lucius have released 4 records of their own, as well as appearing on records with the likes of Roger Waters, Jackson Browne, The War On Drugs, Brandi Carlile, John Prine, Sheryl Crow, to name a FEW. We talk about how they juggle this insane schedule, partnership and collaboration, how they've constantly morphed and reinvented all while (and because of) keeping a loyal team behind them, co-writ...

Joe Pug on prioritizing what's fruitful, tracking data, and Dante's Inferno. 19.04.2023

Joe Pug sold 20,000 copies of his first record after handing out free sampler CDs, and has gone on to be a DIY champion with multiple records and a successful podcast - The Working Songwriter. We talk intricacies of running a business as a creative, prioritizing your time and attention throughout the creative process, career longevity, and the lessons in Dante's Inferno. Get more access, inclu...

Lola Kirke on multiple creative careers, compare despair, and understanding lineage. 12.04.2023

Lola Kirke is an actress/musician who was in Mozart in the Jungle, Winning time and others, and who's latest record "Woman for Sale" is out on Third Man Records. We talk about staying sane while juggling 2 different creative careers, how art is about giving not receiving, and what is counterculture. Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the a...

Melanie Charles on the importance of exploration, curiosity, and living your artistic message. 05.04.2023

Melanie Charles is a genre bending artist/songwriter/producer who's performed with artists from Wynton Marsalis to SZA. We talk about artist freedom, the power of curiosity and exploration, balancing advocacy and self-care, and solitude in your creative practice. Get more access, including exclusive content, advance knowledge of our guests and the ability to have them answer your questions, sp...

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