The Money Trench

The Money Trench - The Music Industry Podcast with Mark Sutherland

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The Money Trench (TMT) is The Music Industry Podcast from presenter Mark Sutherland and exec producer Mike Walsh, produced by Tape Notes and supported by Sound On and Tixel. Each Monday, we will dissect the biggest music industry news stories of the previous week, in the company of one of the industry’s most influential executives. Followed by a deep dive into that exec’s career in music, including their thoughts on where we’re at and where we’re heading. Now, TMT is here to look at all sides of the music business and celebrate the most exciting industry on the planet. Don’t start your music w...

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TMT:48 Geoff Ellis On Promoting Oasis & Dominating The Scottish Live Industry 15.06.2025 1:02:48

Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark sits down with Geoff Ellis, CEO of DF Concerts, the Scottish live music powerhouse behind TRNSMT Festival, King Tut’s Wah Wah Hut, and countless shows across Scotland. Celebrating 40 years in the industry, Geoff shares the lessons learned from a life spent promoting the biggest stars, including Oasis, Radiohead, and Pulp. The pair talk during one of the...

TMT:47 Johan Lagerlof On Being The Founding Investor in Abba Voyage And Buying The Avicii Catalogue 08.06.2025 1:02:04

Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark sits down with Johan Lagerlof, Managing Partner of Pophouse Entertainment, the company with catalogue investments in artists like KISS, Avicii and Swedish House Mafia, the founding investors of ABBA Voyage. With a background spanning Spotify, Warner Music, and a career as a songwriter and entrepreneur, Johan unpacks how immersive tech, catalogue strateg...

TMT:46 Kim Frankiewicz On Fighting for Songwriters and Hanging Out with Michael Hutchence 01.06.2025 1:01:40

Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by Kim Frankiewicz, EVP Worldwide A&R at Concord Music Publishing, and a true veteran of the global business. From INXS and the Aussie pub circuit, to signing Mark Ronson and Daft Punk, Kim has seen it all. Now she leads one of the most respected publishing teams in the world. Mark sits down with Kim at the studio of artist merch company whyno...

TMT:45 Jamie Oborne On Managing The 1975 & Keeping The Spirit of Independence Alive 25.05.2025 59:49

Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark sits down with Jamie Oborne, founder of Dirty Hit Records and All On Red Management, and the guiding force behind The 1975, Bleachers, The Japanese House, and more. Jamie shares his journey from artist to manager to label boss, building one of the most influential independent operations in the UK music industry. Mark joins Jamie at Dirty Hit HQ for a ca...

TMT:44 Jin Jin On Writing Smash Hits & How Songwriter Contracts Need To Change 18.05.2025 51:40

Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark sits down and chats with multi-platinum UK songwriter and creative entrepreneur, Jin Jin. With hits for Jess Glynne, Raye, Jax Jones, David Guetta, Becky Hill, Sabrina Carpenter, and many more, the pair discuss the songwriting economy, streaming reform, creative development, and what it takes to build a sustainable career behind the scenes. Recorded dur...

TMT:43 Roberto Neri On The 70th Ivor Novello Awards & What Songwriters Need to Succeed 11.05.2025 53:38

Welcome to The Money Trench! Mark is joined at Dolby Labs in Soho by Roberto Neri, CEO of The Ivors Academy. On top of Roberto’s vast career spanning PRS, Bug Music, Downtown, Believe and Utopia, they also chat about the future of songwriting, streaming reform, AI, and championing composer rights. Roberto brings a unique perspective on music publishing, rights management, and the industry’s shifti...

TMT:42 Jon Collins on How The Grassroots Levy Will Reshape The Live Biz, Plus The Big Misunderstanding Over Dynamic Pricing 04.05.2025 1:04:34

Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined live by Jon Collins, CEO of LIVE (Live music Industry Venues & Entertainment) and chair of the Liverpool City Region Music Board, at the UK Music Academic Partnership event in Liverpool. As a figure at the forefront of the grassroots levy, Jon explains the reasoning behind it and how he sees the future of the scheme. The pair also chat about t...

TMT:41 Tony Harlow on How to Break More UK Superstars & The Future For Major Labels 27.04.2025 1:07:52

Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by Tony Harlow, CEO of Warner Music UK, to explore his career journey from jazz records to the boardroom, and what it means to lead a major record label in the era of AI, streaming, and cultural shifts. During their chat at Warner HQ in London, they talk about Tony’s early days in record stores and at Blue Note Records, his global adventures a...

TMT:40 Robert Horsfall & Sonia Diwan On AI's Big Legal Challenge and the Battle for Better Artist Contracts 13.04.2025 1:09:45

Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark sits down with Robert Horsfall and Sonia Diwan, founding partners of Sound Advice. As leaders of one of the UK’s most respected law firms for artists, songwriters, and music entrepreneurs, from brokering major label deals to championing fairer contracts in the streaming age, Robert and Sonia bring decades of experience - and plenty of stories - to the t...

TMT:39 Craig Jennings on Breaking Bring Me The Horizon & Why Rock Is Still a Big Noise in 2025 06.04.2025 1:01:39

Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark sits down with one of the most respected managers in rock and metal, Craig Jennings, CEO of Raw Power Management. Craig shares his stories of shaping the careers of some of the biggest names in the business, including Bring Me The Horizon, Bullet For My Valentine, and many more. Craig also discusses his journey from the early days of the industry, to ma...

TMT:38 Megan Ogleby-Page on Running Record Store Day & How Vinyl Came Back From The Dead 30.03.2025 56:34

Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark sits down with Megan Ogleby-Page, Head of Operations at ERA and key figure behind Record Store Day UK. Megan shares her insights on the evolution of physical music retail, the resurgence of vinyl and indie record stores, and how Record Store Day has become a cultural phenomenon. They also talk about Megan's journey into the industry, the challenges of...

TMT:37 Louis Posen On What it Means to be Punk and founding Hopeless Records 24.03.2025 55:30

Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by legendary punk rock executive, Louis Posen, founder of Hopeless Records. This week, Mark catches up with Louis in Los Angeles during Musexpo week to reflect on 30 years of independent label life, how Hopeless started as a dare, the realities of the modern streaming economy, and what it really means to stay punk in a changing industry. Louis...

TMT:36 Nick Stewart on Why Artists Struggle To Make Streaming Pay, Signing U2 and Not Signing Joy Division 17.03.2025 59:03

Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by a 30 year veteran of the music industry, The Colonel, Nick Stewart. During their conversation they discuss the latest in the industry, including the financial polarisation of artists, how UK bands may be back on the rise and Nick explains why he thinks some genres are more valuable asset investments than others. Nick also delves into the de...

TMT:35 Dr Charisse Beaumont on the Music Industry’s On-Going Diversity Problem and Why The Biz Needs to Take a Stand Against Trump’s DEI Rollback 10.03.2025 54:12

Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by Dr Charisse Beaumont, CEO of Black Lives In Music. Discussing one of the biggest issues in the music industry, Charisse explains the need for everyone to step up when it comes to diversity, and for us all to come together to make a real difference. She also explores the idea of embracing new technologies such as AI, and even using them to t...

TMT:34 Kate Nash on Why OnlyFans Pays Better than Spotify, Getting F*cked Over, & the Constant Fight for Change in the Industry 03.03.2025 55:58

Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by singer-songwriter Kate Nash. Digging into the current state of the music industry, Kate discusses everything from the harsh realities of touring costs, why she turned to OnlyFans, and the growing challenges artists face to making a sustainable living. From performing in the Houses of Parliament to using her voice for activism, Kate discuss...

TMT:33 Steve Tannett on Marshall’s Rock Revolution & What He Learned from REM & Miles Copeland 24.02.2025 52:34

Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by Steve Tannett, Director of Platforms at Marshall Group. From his punk roots to a career spanning multiple sides of the music industry, Steve looks back over his career - moving from musician to label executive, publisher, and manager. He talks about rock’s lasting cultural impact, his work with artists like R.E.M., The Go-Go’s, and Ginger B...

TMT:32 Kwame Kwaten on The Future of Artist Management, and Working With Legends (Michael Jackson, Prince & Mick Jagger) 17.02.2025 56:39

Welcome to The Money Trench! In this episode, Mark is joined by manager, record producer and director of Ferocious Talent, Kwame Kwaten. As well as catching up on the latest in the industry, including the Kanye controversy and canceled Oasis tickets, Kwame shares his perspective on the ever-evolving role of a manager in music, the responsibilities they're now having to take on, and what new deals...

TMT:31 Peter Leathem on PPL’s Blockbuster Revenues, A Transformative JV with PRS and Keeping Madonna's ‘Sex’ Book Under Wraps 10.02.2025 1:00:53

Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by Peter Leathem, CEO of PPL. As well as catching up on the week’s news, including Grammy highlights and mental health provisions from labels, Peter shares his journey with PPL, discussing the changes he’s implemented and the successes he’s achieved in shaping the company’s role in the music industry. The conversation covers how PPL continues...

TMT:30 Sammy Andrews on the Music Industry’s Tech Revolution, and Her Most Successful Campaigns (The Prodigy, Annie Lennox & More) 03.02.2025 1:00:41

Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by the CEO of Deviate Digital, Sammy Andrews. Catching up at Tileyard Studios, the conversation covers the latest news on streaming services, the future of artificial intelligence within the industry, and thoughts on misogyny in music. Sammy also shares her journey into the industry, from becoming a touring manager for Ginger Wildheart t...

TMT:29 Luke Pritchard of The Kooks on the TikTok Ban, Better Care for Young Artists, Connecting with a New Generation of Fans, and Being Naked In Front of Mick Jagger 27.01.2025 57:19

Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark catches up with the lead singer of The Kooks, Luke Pritchard. Throughout their chat, the pair discuss the latest in the music industry, including the TikTok ban and what it means for artists, the impact of AI, and more on the Los Angeles Wildfires. Luke also talks through some of the difficulties facing young artists today and what the industry ne...

TMT:28 Ruth Barlow (LIVE at ESNS) on Indie Labels Battling the Majors for Market Share, the Industry Response to the LA Fires, Partying with Adele and Risking Arrest Over Radiohead’s ‘Guerrilla’ Gig 20.01.2025 1:00:47

Welcome to The Money Trench! In this special live episode at this year's ESNS conference in Groningen, Mark is joined by Ruth Barlow from Beggars and AIM. Ruth shares stories from her journey in the music industry, from her early days at Xfm to her current role at Beggars Group and AIM. She chats about how the indie sector is feeling the squeeze, the impact of big deals like Universal’s move on PI...

TMT:27 Andy Saunders on Creation Records’ Golden Years with Alan McGee, the Best PR Strategy for Crisis Management, and Working with Tony Blair and Alistair Campbell on Labour’s ‘97 Election Campaign 13.01.2025 1:06:37

Welcome to The Money Trench. In the first episode of 2025, Mark is joined by Andy Saunders, legendary PR and founder of Velocity Communications. Digging into the latest industry news, Andy shares his thoughts on the music industry's current state, including record-breaking UK music consumption and the pros and cons of dynamic ticket pricing. Reflecting on his career, he takes us behind the scenes...

TMT:26 Julie Weir on the State of Rock Music, Signing Bring Me The Horizon, Rebooting Music For Nations, and How British Rock can Fight Back Against US Domination 16.12.2024 56:33

Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by Julie Weir, Director of Sony’s Music For Nations. Catching up at Sony HQ, Mark & Julie’s conversation digs into the behind the scenes of the rock & alternative industry - discussing running Julie's independent label, Visible Noise, the challenges of touring new acts, and how she is trying to fight the US industry domination. She also...

TMT:25 Steve Homer on Why Concert Tickets Are So Expensive, the New Grassroots Levy, His Views on Dynamic Pricing, & Watching Nirvana on Top Of The Pops with Kurt Cobain 09.12.2024 59:55

Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by Steve Homer, CEO of AEG Presents. Throughout the conversation, Steve shares his insights on hot topics like the grassroots ticket levy, festival shutdowns and openings, and the ever-changing world of dynamic ticket pricing. Steve gives his thoughts and opinions as a man very much in the middle of it all! He also reflects on his journe...

TMT:24 Miranda Sawyer on Britpop beyond Blur Vs Oasis, the Continued Importance of Music Journalism, the Power of Kate Nash’s Bum and the Greatness of British Pop Music As Export 02.12.2024 58:31

Welcome to The Money Trench. In this episode, Mark is joined by author, journalist and fellow podcaster, Miranda Sawyer. Exploring themes from her new book, Uncommon People: Britpop and Beyond in 20 Songs, the conversation digs into Britpop’s enduring legacy, moving past the Blur vs. Oasis rivalry into stories about Pulp, Suede, and more, while also examining how the era’s stars coped with sudden...