David Ly Khim, Allie Decker, Alex Birkett
The Long Game
The Long Game shares personal and business success stories where long-term thinking triumphs. Join us for discussions about the frameworks, principles, and learnings that drive success in business.
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David Ly Khim, Allie Decker, Alex Birkett
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Jul 8, 2026
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Episodes
Startup Pricing, LLMs, Return of Quality, and Multimedia SEO with Aashish Krishna Kumar (Zuora) 05.02.2025 56:20
In this episode of The Long Game Podcast , Alex Birkett speaks with Aashish Krishna Kumar, Director of Go-To-Market at Zuora, about startup pricing strategies, AI-driven changes in SEO, and the increasing importance of high-quality content. Aashish explains why early-stage startups should prioritize survival over pricing optimization and why pricing only becomes a growth lever after product-market...
Content as Product, Mediocre SEO, and Optimism for the Future with Mark Lindquist 22.01.2025 1:06:34
In this Kitchen Side episode of The Long Game Podcast , Alex, Allie, and David are joined by Mark Lindquist to discuss the transformation of SEO and content marketing. They delve into the decline of traffic-based metrics, the rise of user-first strategies, and how AI-driven changes are forcing marketers to rethink content creation. Mark emphasizes treating content as a product, getting closer to t...
Sean Ellis on the Evolution of Growth, PMF, and Testing in the AI Era 15.01.2025 1:04:40
In this episode of The Long Game Podcast , Alex Birkett speaks with Sean Ellis, the creator of the term "growth hacking" and a pioneer in startup growth strategies. Sean shares his insights on product-market fit, the fundamentals of sustainable growth, and how AI is reshaping the startup landscape. From his groundbreaking work at Dropbox and Eventbrite to the evolving nature of customer acquisitio...
Alex Talks to Startup Founders About SEO (Founders Common) 08.01.2025 49:27
In this special Fireside Chat edition of The Long Game Podcast, Alex Birkett shares insights about building SEO strategies for startups with the Founders Common community. He discusses foundational steps, the evolution of SEO in the era of AI, and innovative approaches like product-led SEO and programmatic strategies. Alex emphasizes the importance of setting realistic expectations for SEO's nonli...
Omnichannel Advertising, Attribution, and Unifying Brand & Performance with Katie Arena 18.12.2024 54:08
In this episode of The Long Game , Alex Birkett talks with Katie Arena, the global marketing and communications leader at Clinch, an omni-channel advertising platform. Katie explains the differences between multi-channel and omni-channel advertising, emphasizing the importance of streamlining ad campaigns, personalizing creative content, and analyzing performance data in a unified way. The convers...
Kitchen Side: SEO Burpees, Death of Vanity Traffic, and NSM 11.12.2024 58:10
In this episode of The Long Game Podcast, Alex Birkett and the team discuss critical shifts in SEO and content marketing strategy. They emphasize the importance of moving beyond vanity metrics like traffic and focusing on meaningful business outcomes. Key topics include the concept of North Star KPIs, the dangers of the "traffic trap," and the importance of aligning incentives across teams to achi...
Chris Walker on the CMO's Dilemma, Attribution, and Modern GTM Strategy 04.12.2024 50:42
In this insightful episode of The Long Game Podcast, Alex Birkett speaks with Chris Walker, CEO of Passetto and host of the B2B Revenue Vitals podcast. Chris shares his bold perspectives on the evolution of B2B marketing, highlighting the need for customer-centric strategies and challenging conventional practices like attribution modeling and demand generation. He explores the role of CMOs in brid...
Kitchen Side: ChatGPT Search, EOY Planning, and Productivity Systems 27.11.2024 55:37
In this lively episode of The Long Game Podcast, Alex, Allie, and David explore a range of topics, including the evolving capabilities of ChatGPT search and its implications for SEO. They share insights on building and leveraging custom GPTs for personalized workflows and content creation. The conversation also covers year-end planning, productivity hacks, and the balance between personal and prof...
Kitchen Side: The Operations Episode with Gray MacKenzie (ZenPilot) 20.11.2024 57:35
In this Kitchen Side episode of The Long Game Podcast, Alex, Allie, and David dive into the intricacies of agency operations with guest Gray MacKenzie, CEO of ZenPilot. The conversation explores how agencies can build scalable systems while balancing efficiency and innovation. Gray shares strategies for defining processes, the importance of integrating operations with delivery, and the cultural as...
Why Human Expertise Matters More Than Ever in Content with Katie Kelly 13.11.2024 52:12
In this episode of The Long Game Podcast, Alex Birkett interviews Katie Kelly, founder of Antiquoted, a platform that promotes diverse and underrepresented voices in media. Katie shares her journey from CRO roles to establishing her own venture, highlighting the challenges and benefits of featuring experts in content. They discuss the importance of authenticity, the pitfalls of AI-generated respon...
Kitchen Side: Working In the Business, Founder Mode, and Avoiding the Traffic Trap 16.10.2024 51:39
In this Kitchen Side podcast episode, David, Alex, and Ali, co-founders of Omniscient Digital, discuss the nuances of working in vs. on a business and how both are essential for growth. They explore the concept of "founder mode," reflecting on both the benefits and risks of hands-on leadership. The team introduces the "traffic trap," a phenomenon where businesses prioritize traffic over meaningful...
Kitchen Side: Perfectionism vs Experimentation, The Best Career Advice, and What SEO Programs Need to Succeed 09.10.2024 49:58
In this Kitchen Side episode, hosts David, Alex, and Allie discuss the balance between perfectionism and experimentation in business and personal growth. They explore how shifting to an experimental mindset can alleviate pressure, enhance learning, and drive progress. The conversation covers career advice emphasizing urgency, client management insights, and best practices for SEO programs. They al...
Kitchen Side: Marketers Caught in False Consensus Bias and Exploring New-ish SEO Strategies 18.09.2024 41:29
The conversation covers topics such as false consensus bias, SEO strategies, and programmatic SEO. The main themes include the importance of recognizing and overcoming biases in decision-making, the need to explore new SEO strategies beyond traditional content creation, and the potential of programmatic SEO for automation and scalability. The conversation covers various topics related to programma...
Building a Company in Crisis and Rethinking B2B Marketing with the RINse and Repeat Framework with Marc Thomas 11.09.2024 50:23
Marc shares his journey from starting a magazine to founding a creative agency and eventually building a real-time voting tool called Dupol. He discusses the importance of sustaining a company and finding leverage within existing resources. The conversation also touches on the challenges faced during COVID-19 and the unexpected surge in demand for Dupol's services. Marc shares his experience of ru...
Kitchen Side: We Get Interviewed by AI Generated Questions 14.08.2024 48:59
In this episode, the hosts dive into an innovative experiment where AI, specifically Perplexity, interviews them about their business, Omniscient Digital. They discuss the evolution of their approach to marketing, the shift from trying to be everywhere to focusing on high-impact channels, and the importance of sticking to core principles while adapting to market realities. The conversation also co...
Kitchen Side: Category Domination in SEO and Why Focusing on Inputs is Underrated 07.08.2024 39:08
The conversation revolves around the importance of focusing on inputs over outcomes in SEO projects. David Lee Kim, along with co-founders Alex and Ali, highlights the significance of aligning on strategies and examining inputs to identify issues when outcomes do not meet expectations. They introduce a framework for SEO that includes foundation building, reaching escape velocity, and expansion. Th...
Personal Branding, Online Visibility, and Belief Statements with Finn McKenty 31.07.2024 1:12:07
The conversation covers various topics related to personal branding and marketing. Finn McKenty shares his insights on building a visible and impactful online presence, the necessity of adhering to platform algorithms, and the challenges of balancing artistic expression with commercial demands. He discusses his journey from product design and marketing to becoming a successful content creator, off...
Kitchen side: How to Develop an Analytical Mindset 24.07.2024 56:23
The conversation covers various topics related to data analysis, and decision-making. The hosts delve into the importance of developing an analytical mindset and the challenges of data attribution in marketing. The conversation highlights the need to balance data accuracy with utility and the limitations of self-reported data. Overall, the hosts emphasize the importance of being analytical in unde...
Kitchen Side Episode 200: The Long Game Magazine Pre-Launch 10.07.2024 46:41
The conversation starts with technical difficulties and banter about microphones and boxes in the background. They discuss the 200th episode of the podcast and reflect on their favorite moments and surprises. They talk about the origins of the podcast and how it led to the idea of creating a magazine. They share their experiences with reading magazines in the past and the influence it had on them....
Brand Strategy, Performance Marketing, and Building Engaged Communities with Evelyn Frison 03.07.2024 1:20:48
In this episode, Alex Birkett talks with Evelyn Frison about branding and brand strategy. They discuss how to uncover differentiated selling propositions, conduct research, and identify target audiences. Evelyn shares insights on how branding and positioning inform messaging and marketing, and the integration of brand and performance marketing campaigns. The conversation also covers building commu...
The Flux in the SEO Industry, What Programmatic SEO Will Look Like, and Taking a Calm Approach to Business with Thenuka Karunaratne 20.06.2024 51:14
Thenuka, CEO of Daydream, discusses the changing landscape of programmatic SEO and the importance of context in content creation. He explains how Daydream helps companies leverage their unique data to generate high-quality, AI-driven content for SEO. Thenuka also emphasizes the need for education in the industry to understand and implement programmatic SEO effectively. The conversation explores th...
Kitchen Side: Identifying Strategy SEO Programs, Untraditional SEO Backgrounds, and We're Hiring a Director of Organic Growth 12.06.2024 40:31
The conversation covers various topics related to SEO and content strategy. The main themes include the challenges of finding new topics to discuss on a podcast, the different approaches to SEO and content strategy, the importance of prioritization and focus, and the evolving skillset required for SEO and content roles. The conversation also touches on the dynamics of decision-making within compan...
Digital watercoolers, echo chambers, and big companies who write bad content with Ryan Law (Ahrefs) 05.06.2024 1:04:28
The conversation explores the challenges of finding sources of inspiration and engaging with online communities. It delves into the importance of in-person interactions and the limitations of digital platforms like LinkedIn and Twitter. The discussion then shifts to the role of conferences in fostering real conversations and the value of personal experiences in content creation. The conversation a...
The Future of SEO & Ways We Actually Use AI (Kitchen Side) 29.05.2024 57:36
The conversation explores the use of AI in various tasks, such as writing, research, and productivity. The hosts discuss the benefits and limitations of AI, as well as its impact on industries like marketing and dentistry. They also touch on the future of SEO and the importance of focusing on goals and strategy rather than getting caught up in AI hype. Overall, the conversation highlights the prac...
From Growth Leader to Coaching Growth Leaders, Common Challenges for Heads of Growth, and the State of PLG with Andrew Capland 22.05.2024 46:43
Andrew and David discuss Andrew's background and his role as a growth coach for tech professionals. They explore the challenges faced by growth leaders and the importance of effective communication and strategy. They also touch on the evolution of product-led growth (PLG) and the misconceptions surrounding its applicability. In this conversation, Andrew and David discuss the concept of product-led...
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