Peter Shepherd & Jen Waldman
The Long and The Short Of It
What do two coaches on opposite sides of the world actually talk about when they think out loud together? For eight years and 400-plus episodes, that has been the whole of The Long and The Short Of It: a weekly conversation for thoughtful leaders, coaches, and creatives who would rather be useful than loud. Pete Shepherd is an Australian leadership coach and the former Head Coach of Seth Godin's altMBA, who has worked with leaders at Google, Toyota, Woolworths, Kraft Heinz and the Australian Navy. Jen Waldman runs her own studio in New York and has coached performers across much of Broadway. E...
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Peter Shepherd & Jen Waldman
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Jul 7, 2026
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Episodes
283. Exercises 27.02.2024 19:48
Jen and Pete thrash about the process of creating exercises, and think about when it might be useful to use an exercise when trying to help another person (or themselves) to reach a goal or outcome. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What is the difference between a note, an adjustment, and an exercise? What are certain situations when it is best to use an exercise? What are so...
282. Beginner Again 20.02.2024 19:10
This week, Pete and Jen dive in to how exciting it can be to be a beginner...and also thrilling and frustrating and scary, and a whole smorgasbord of emotions. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: How might you seek out ways to become a beginner again? What tools might you utilize when you're a beginner, to help you learn? In what way is Pete becoming a beginner again? And Jen? T...
281. 1 to 10 13.02.2024 17:54
This week, Jen and Pete noodle on giving and receiving feedback on a scale of one to ten, combined with the question of what it would take to achieve your desired number on that scale. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: How might a scale of 1 to 10 actually help thwart perfectionism? Why might feedback given on a scale be received less emotionally or personally? What are strate...
280. Solo Off-Site 06.02.2024 17:45
Having returned from his own solo off-site, Pete shares with Jen about his experience, and together, they noodle on tips and tricks for people looking to create their own version. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What is a solo off-site? How might a change in environment help you to think about things that aren't brought up in the day-to-day? What are some tools and strategie...
279. STAR|MAP 30.01.2024 22:35
In a highly anticipated episode, Jen generously unveils her STAR|MAP process for Pete and you, the listeners. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What is a STAR|MAP? How might we create and follow through with purpose-driven goals? What are some strategies for sticking with habits and plans? To hear all episodes and read full transcripts, visit The Long and The Short Of It websi...
278. SMEP 23.01.2024 17:21
This week, Pete shares with Jen the idea of subject matter expertise phenomenon (SMEP), and together they noodle on how they might use the knowledge of that phenomenon to help coach leaders. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What does "SMEP" mean, in both business and theatrical contexts? What are four core tenants of leadership? What skills are necessary to acquire knowledge...
277. Quitters Day 16.01.2024 20:27
In celebration of Quitters Day (January 12th), Jen and Pete noodle on all things surrounding quitting: why someone might quit, what can help us to not quit, and when it might actually be a good idea to quit. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What is the relationship between boundaries and quitting? How might we link motivation and action, in a way that makes it harder to quit?...
276. The Case of the Missing Stools 09.01.2024 17:18
In a thriller of an episode, Jen tells Peter the story of her missing stools, and they noodle on what she learned from the whole experience. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What happened to Jen's stools? What is fundamental attribution error? How might we always assume best intent? To hear all episodes and read full transcripts, visit The Long and The Short Of It website: ht...
275. 2024 02.01.2024 20:52
In another annual tradition, Jen and Pete share how they are reflecting on the previous year and how they are planning for the coming year (or five years, in Jen's case). Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What are some useful questions Pete is using to prepare for 2024? What word is particularly exciting for Jen in her goals for 2024? What are some strategies to utilize in thi...
274. Favo(u)rite Things: 2023 26.12.2023 30:10
In their annual tradition, Pete and Jen go through their favorite things from the past year. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about their favorite: Fiction book Non-fiction book. Podcast. Episode of The Long and The Short Of It. Documentary/TV show/film. Aha moment. Video. Habit. Person. To hear all episodes and read full transcripts, visit The Long and The Short Of It website: http...
273. Pedestals 19.12.2023 19:35
This week, Jen and Pete noodle on both looking up to someone on a pedestal and being the person put on the pedestal. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What does it mean to put someone on a pedestal? How might status change within the same framework? How might we utilize our idolization of certain people? To hear all episodes and read full transcripts, visit The Long and The Sh...
272. Big Scary Things 12.12.2023 18:28
This week, Jen comes to Pete needing to be coached on how to approach a big scary thing that she's been working on. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What are some strategies for taking on a big scary thing? Why might it be helpful to imagine what other people may say in response to the thing you're working on? How might we develop processes that are separate from outcomes? To...
271. Broadway Jesus 05.12.2023 16:44
This week, Jen poses a question to Pete: What would Broadway Jesus do? Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: How might we take action, based on modeling our idol's behaviors? Why might it be difficult to receive a compliment, and how can we do so with grace? What might imitating an exemplar look like when you're stuck? And when you're succeeding? To hear all episodes and read full...
270. Quests 28.11.2023 18:04
Throwing it back to old video games, Pete and Jen ping-pong back and forth about what we might learn from games like Zelda when thinking about leadership and growth. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: How might we think about challenges in life as quests? What are different ways in which we can level up? How might we find excitement in the unknown? To hear all episodes and read...
269. Target Lists 21.11.2023 17:35
In this week's episode, Jen teaches Pete about the ways she uses people, places, positions, and purpose to create target lists. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: Why might it be important to make target lists? What are some tactics for discovering people and places that you might want to add to your target lists? How are the lists for each category different? And how might the...
268. Action Learning 14.11.2023 16:48
This week, Jen and Pete thrash about the idea of getting a group of people together and putting one person in the hot seat, and asking them only questions about the places they are stuck. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What exactly is action learning? And what is it's inverse? How might hearing someone else describe a problem actual help you solve your own? What are differe...
267. Sponge Mindset 07.11.2023 17:27
This week, Jen and Pete ask the question of how we might be more like a sponge in the projects we are working on, in terms of soaking information in and also squeezing it out into the world. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What are some tools we can utilize when we're stuck in the information gathering stage? What is a cut bait date? How might sharing what we're working on w...
266. Habit Audits 31.10.2023 17:23
Building on ideas from previous episodes, Jen and Pete dive in to how they might take an audit of their current habits, and noodle on what that audit might teach them. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What is a habit audit? If you were to start with a clean slate, would you choose to pick up the habits you currently have? What are some exercises that might help us to take sto...
265. Rules 24.10.2023 19:04
This week, Pete (a rule follower) and Jen (a non-rule follower) noodle on how we might leverage rules to help us create new habits, practices, and boundaries. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What are some tactics we can use to create rules for ourselves? What is the difference between a rule and a habit? What are some examples of rules Pete follows? And Jen? To hear all epis...
264. If You Build It... 17.10.2023 17:15
Jen has strong feelings about the phrase, "If you build it, they will come," and with Pete, they noodle on possible improvements and rewrites. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: Why is an invitation necessary when engaging other people in your work? How might we validate our work while in the process of making it? Why might inviting people to witness our projects be a scary thi...
263. Our Friend, Feedback 10.10.2023 17:27
This week, Jen and Pete revisit the very familiar topic of good ol' feedback and all of its many quirks. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: Why might negative feedback impact us more than positive feedback? What does it mean that the work we create will not be for everyone? What are some strategies with which to filter and/or apply the feedback we receive? To hear all episodes...
262. Ask For What You Want 03.10.2023 19:05
This week, Pete and Jen dive in to the reasons to ask for what you want, and what reasons might hinder us from doing so in the first place. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What are some reasons someone might be afraid to ask for what they want? What does it mean to chase the no? How might we empathize with the person we are asking something from? To hear all episodes and rea...
261. Goal Stacking 26.09.2023 19:19
It may come as a shock, but Jen and Pete have never done an episode of the podcast about goals before today! So this week, they dive in to the idea of how we might stack our goals, and how that might help us to adjust them or eventually let them go. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What is the concept of goal stacking? What are some ways that goals can be organized in to proj...
260. Post-Seth Reflection 19.09.2023 18:47
In this week's reflective episode, Pete and Jen dig in to the conversation they had with Seth Godin last week, discussing both the conversation itself and also the ways in which they each showed up. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about: What ideas have stuck with Jen and Pete from their conversation last week, and how might they continue to expand on and explore them? What feedbac...
259. Seth Godin: The Song of Significance 12.09.2023 37:48
This week, Seth makes a return visit to the podcast, and he, Jen, and Pete dive in to a wide range of topics, such as Seth's new book, bees, meetings, leaf blowers, and so much more. Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete (and Seth) talk about: What is Seth's latest book all about, and how might the themes within it show up in our daily lives? How might we think about work differently, in term...
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