The Leader’s Way

Joy Marie Clarkson, PhD joins us to discuss her latest book You Are a Tree: And Other Metaphors to Nourish Life, Thought, and Prayer. Hannah, Brandon, and Joy talk about what metaphors are and why they’re so useful in preaching, theology, and life. They ponder how humans are more like trees than machines and explore the metaphor of love as disease. Clarkson tells the story of how she ended up with...

The Rev’d Dr. Jamie Hawkey, Canon Theologian of Westminster Abbey, joins us to talk about dialogues between the Anglican Communion and the Roman Catholic Church. We discuss church unity, prayer in theology, and engaging the public through mysticism and the arts. Jamie, Brandon, and Hannah get a chance to talk about their shared love of Italy.

The Rt. Rev'd Dr. Vicentia Kgabe is Bishop of Lesotho. Bishop Vinny is the third woman bishop in Southern Africa and the sixth on the African continent. In 2023, Kgabe was invited by Archbishop Justin Welby to preach at the opening service of the Lambeth conference. Bishop Vinny joins us to talk about leading with compassion rather than power. She reminds us of how God will get us to where we’re m...

Craig Minowa is a singer-songwriter and the frontman of Cloud Cult, an indie rock band. In this episode, Minowa shares how his songwriting process is something of a spiritual journey through darkness to light.

Join Brandon and Hannah for a special Happy New Year Hunker. Grab a mug of candy cane green tea, because today we’re talking dogs, nativities, dogs in nativities, preaching, prayer, pizza, and more.

Becca Stevens, founder and president of Thistle Farms, joins us to reflect on her mission-driven work as a “love entrepreneur.” She shares stories from Thistle Farms, her wisdom about ministry outside of the parish, what it means that “love heals,” Thistle Farms Christmas present recommendations, and more!

Today, The Leader's Way podcast turns 10...episodes that is. Happy double digits day! To celebrate, we're sharing a much-requested, much-anticipated episode: a conversation with Professor Sophie Grace Chappell. Listen as Brandon and Hannah chat with Professor Chappell about being a transgender person in a cisgender world. She reflects on her church experiences, Harry Potter, her childhood memories...

This week, the Rev'd Dr. Angela Gorrell joins us, and we talk about public theology, hybrid ministry, the Taylor Swift Eras Tour, grief, lament, and joy.

In this episode, the Rev’d Winnie Varghese, Rector of St. Luke’s Episcopal Church in Atlanta, Georgia, joins us to talk about parish ministry. We chat about Mariology, in-person church in the wake of the pandemic, and joy in ministry.

In this Halloween episode, the Rev’d Dr. Gabrielle Thomas and Dr. Hannah Black talk about some of their favorite people: the fourth century Cappadocians. Thomas shares what her research has uncovered about the Cappadocians’ understanding of the devil. Spoiler: He is not a red guy with horns. Rather, our fourth-century guides view him as the enemy of salvation and the church.

In this episode, hear from Presiding Bishop Michael Curry and Dean of Berkeley Divinity School Andrew McGowan on the centrality of love to Christianity. This live conversation, mediated by nationally bestselling author Deborah Royce, was recorded at the Yale Club in New York City inMay 2023. It celebrates the debut of the film, A Case for Love, a Grace-Based Films documentary about Presiding Bisho...

Dr. Rae Jean Proeschold-Bell is a research professor at Duke Global Health Institute. In this episode, she shares research findings from the Clergy Health Initiative. She talks about the differences in behaviors between flourishing and burnt-out clergy. Rae Jean shares practical strategies for clergy to guard themselves against burnout as well as her tips for seminarians.

The doctrine of the Trinity is as foundational to Christianity as it is elusive and even confounding. While the Trinity seems to many like a distant theological formulation, writer, contemplative teacher, and therapist, Dr. Robert Jonas shares insights about just how intimate, practical, and transformative the Trinity can be in daily life. Revealing Jesus as a teacher of “non-dual” and trinitarian...

What is it like to be the spiritual leader for 75,000 people? What do the challenges of the Church look like from the perspective of an Episcopal bishop, and how does one find hope in a world with so much hardship? Bishop Andrew Doyle handles these questions and more with ease, authenticity, and copious amounts of hope in what feels like a comfortable conversation in a favorite neighborhood café....

In her latest book, Re-Enchanting the Earth: Why AI Needs Religion, scientist and theologian Ilia Delio takes up the challenge of reconciling evolution and religion with particular attention to the role of Artificial Intelligence. She argues that AI represents the latest extension of human evolution, which has implications not only for science but also for religion. Our conversation explores Sr. I...

How can we sustain ourselves through the rigors and demands of ministry? How can contemplative practices buoy our spirits and our bodies as we seek to serve the Church and the world? How can timeless practices offer timely wisdom to our aching world? This expansive conversation is both deeply traditional and completely fresh as it seeks to wrestle with these profound questions in new ways. The Rev...