Shawn & Matt
The Latter Day Lens
Welcome to The Latter Day Lens, a weekly faith-based podcast where we explore the intersection of Mormonism, global news, and political science. Hosted by Shawn Record and Matthew Miles, a professor of political science, this is your home for an authentic and nuanced LDS perspective on the world’s toughest topics. Each episode provides thoughtful Latter-day Saint commentary on current events, ranging from Christianity and politics to social identity and economic policy. Whether you are an active LDS member seeking a deeper religious podcast experience or a listener interested in Mormon studies...
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Jul 8, 2026
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Episode 51: Archeology and the Book of Mormon, Changing families, changing social policies? Why does Matt hate Big Pharma? 17.01.2024 1:01:12
Send us Fan Mail Mailbag: One listener writes “Military conscription has been shown to build a shared national identity, boost loyalty to the polity, and instill patriotism… But here’s the tradeoff: Men from conscripted generations show less trust in democratic institutions than those exempted from the draft…[and] weakens the relationship between the citizen and the state. Hard to say really - I t...
Episode 50: Gypsy Rose, Disney-world, The immigration crisis, Pharmaceuticals, Mandatory Military Service in the USA 10.01.2024 1:01:01
Send us Fan Mail One listener writes, Hey I wonder if you guys have heard of Gypsy-Rose Blanchard . She was recently released from prison for her role in the killing of her mother . Now she has over 7 million followers on Instagram and she is likely going to be a millionaire because of the fame she is getting from her story. What is the morally appropriate reaction someone should have to a person...
2023 Year in Review, Predictions for 2024 31.12.2023 52:01
Send us Fan Mail 2023 US politics . It may be hard to believe, but at this time in 2022, Donald Trump had not been indicted on a single criminal charge. As of today, Donald Trump has been indicted in four states on 91 different criminal charges. In addition, A jury found Donald Trump liable in May for sexually abusing advice columnist E. Jean Carroll in 1996, awarding her $5 million and he recentl...
Merry Christmas to all! 24.12.2023 42:27
Send us Fan Mail Most people don’t know that Kyiv is the birthplace of Christianity in the Slavic world. Ukrainians are used to having foreigners try to control the way that they worship. Despite the hundreds of years of Mongol control in the 13th century and the decades of communist control in the 20th century, Ukrainians have always found a way to put Christ at the center of their Christmas fest...
December 20, 2023; The Fall of Giuliani & the Fall of the GOP, Abortion in Texas, The Invisible Hand, Bureaucrats vs Billionaires 20.12.2023 54:07
Send us Fan Mail The Thought Provoker Matt is up first. Recently, Rudy Giuliani was ordered to pay over $148 million to two Georgia election workers for defamation. This all stems from lies he told about the 2020 election being stolen in Georgia. As a lifelong Republican, I see Rudy Giuliani as a metaphor for what has happened to the GOP. In 2001, Giuliani was America’s Mayor—beloved for his respo...
December 13, 2023; Is the World Safer than Ever? Does the FBI deserve our respect? Anti-Semitism on College Campuses, Policy vs Doctrine part II 13.12.2023 1:03:44
Send us Fan Mail The Thought Provoker Sam. All right, so here's my question. So I have friends that listen to our show and friends that are in the Chicagoland and in the Michigan area, Detroit, and other areas in the upper Midwest, and we've often talked about crime rates in those areas and some of the challenges that face people politically, economically in those areas. And I was joking...
December 6, 2023; Newsom-DeSantis Debate, Truth in Media, Musk Loses Twitter Advertisers, Mark Cuban and Gambling in Texas, Doctrine vs Policy in the Church 06.12.2023 58:46
Send us Fan Mail Discussion of the Devate Thought Provoker: Since 2008, there has been a remarkable evolution in Russia's approach to propaganda. Described in this article , they focus on high numbers of channels using rapid, continuous, and repetitive messages that lack commitment to consistency. Like using a rapid fire shotgun as opposed to a precise sniper rifle. It uses text, photo, video...
November 29, 2023; Third Party Candidates, Cancel Culture, Middle-way Church Members, What Entertainment is Inappropriate? 29.11.2023 1:02:02
Send us Fan Mail Mailbag: Your idea for a coffee substitute cafe in Provo has already been tried. Latter Day Cafe opened in Provo south of BYU in 2021 making drinks out of the Copomo seed, which they promoted as better than coffee. You could caffeinate your drink on a scale of 1 to 4. 1 was equivalent to Mountain Dew, 2 coffee cup, 3 five hour energy, and 4 Bang. Thought Provoker: In an intervie...
November 22, 2023; Surprising trends in youth church activity, Biden's handling of the Israel conflict, Does the Holy Ghost tell us what to do?, Romney's impeachment vote 22.11.2023 1:00:54
Send us Fan Mail The Thought Provoker: Sam is first. Quote from Quentin L Cook’s devotional last night: “Youth and young adults are not less active or leaving the Church in higher numbers than in the past, as has been widely circulated.…The percentage of church participation for the rising generation shows a continuous upward trend.” - Quentin L. Cook How has the Church reversed a declining trend...
November 15, 2023; Censure of Rep. Tlaib, Performative politics, Implanting neuralink to create cyborgs, Ballard and Romney 15.11.2023 59:10
Send us Fan Mail The Thought Provoker: Matt is first this week: This week The US House voted to censure Rep. Rashida Tlaib over her Israel-Hamas rhetoric in a stunning rebuke for using this phrase . A censure is the strongest action the House can take against one of its members other than removing them from office. In the 1860s members were censured for Making statements in support of the Confeder...
November 8 2023; Inheritance Tax? Government waste, Gen Z anxiety, Is Nvidia President Jensen Huang right about entrepreneurship? Peace vs Violence as a solution to conflict. 08.11.2023 1:02:31
Send us Fan Mail Mailbag: “Sam, If adversity is so great for immigrants, why not save some for the rich people? Why rob wealthy people of the chance to work their way up from the bottom? 100% inheritance tax. Who’s with me?” The Thought Provoker: Sam is first up this week, Are kids medically treated too quickly with medications for aniexty vs teaching them coping/problem solving skills earlier on...
November 1 2023; Is marriage the solution to poverty? Young people want more platonic relationships and less sex on TV, The American Dream, Is the US more vulnerable to attacks from our enemies? 01.11.2023 49:50
Send us Fan Mail The Thought Provoker: Shawn is first. I hope that he will choose something about how underwhelming Boston was. How he had high hopes given all the history there, but it was just another dirty crime-ridden town run by liberals 😊 Next up, Matt: “UCLA’s Center for Scholars & Storytellers , or CSS, found that teens — plus the 18- to 24-year-old demographic that advertisers typi...
October 25, 2023: Is the US a meritocracy? Killers of the Flower Moon, The Two-Parent Privilege, The path to communism/authoritarianism 25.10.2023 56:21
Send us Fan Mail Thought Provoker: First up, Sam. “participation trophies vs meritocracy” Next up, Matt.” Martin Scorsese’s newly released film “Killers of the Flower Moon” is based on actual events that happened in Oklahoma in the 1920s . You can follow the link to read the full history, but the short version is that US government policy toward native Americans (specifically the Osage Tribe) in...
October 18, 2023: Justice for Trump?, Ban Tik Tok?, Is ethnicity a social construct?, Alcohol in the St. George Temple, Adam Smith vs President Nelson 18.10.2023 1:06:45
Send us Fan Mail Thought Provoker: First up, Sam: Should members of the LDS Church support banning or censoring social media platforms like Tik Tok? https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/utah-tiktok-lawsuit-social-media-rcna119995 Utah Gov. Spencer Cox and state Attorney General Sean Reyes announced the lawsuit during a press conference. https://www.nationalreview.com/news/utah-sues-tik...
October 11, 2023: Salvation vs Exaltation, Democrats and job growth, Parents behaving badly at youth sports, What are the appropriate limits on free speech? 11.10.2023 1:11:22
Send us Fan Mail The Thought Provoker: Shawn: President Nelson and President Oaks both preached clear and direct doctrine about what salvation is and what exaltation is. I am a little surprised at how new this concept was to many. The Scriptures teach it abundantly. Two questions: Question 1: Why do you think this was the primary message from General Conference from the Prophets? Question 2: Why...
October 4 2023: Hollywood morality, 2nd Amendment, Who sings hymns?, Government Shutdowns, Liquor sales in Utah cities, President Oaks 04.10.2023 1:15:21
Send us Fan Mail Mailbag: One listener wrote: I come from Seattle but I finally moved out of the state after the crime became too much to ignore. Property crime ranks amongst the highest in the city and its suburbs in the US https://www.safehome.org/resources/crime-statistics-by-state/ If you live there you can almost expect your car to be at risk of burglary and/or theft. My car got broken int...
September 27, 2023: Are Muslims Christian? Dallas Mayor switching parties, Moral implications of AI, LDS.org website, General Conference predictions 27.09.2023 1:12:25
Send us Fan Mail Matt: The mayor of Dallas recently announced that he is switching parties from Democrat to Republican. In his announcement , he argues that “American cities need Republicans. The future of America’s great urban centers depends on the willingness of the nation’s mayors to champion law and order and practice fiscal conservatism.“ It is true, Dallas is a success story, most people th...
September 20, 2023: What to do when famous people behave badly, President Ballard rebukes OUR founder, Annotated Book of Mormon, Leadership principles from Airbnb 20.09.2023 1:02:52
Send us Fan Mail Mailbag: I wanted to say that I love the podcast that you, Sam, and Shawn have created! Latter Day Lens is what the world needs right now. People need to know that it is okay to disagree. That people can still be friends and love each other, and have differing opinions. Anyway, I love what you guys are doing. We are toe coolest.. aren’t we? The Thought Provoker: Russell Brand has...
September 13, 2023: Healthcare a right or a privilege, College rankings, Joseph Smith papers, Cheating in high school athletics. 13.09.2023 1:18:28
Send us Fan Mail The Thought Provoker: The previous discussion leads into Sam’s topic for the week. Is healthcare a right or a privilege? I found an interesting link in this story that shows that US healthcare system is not the envy of the world. In 2007, the US spent $7,290 per capita on health care but ranks last among seven countries. The Netherlands, which spent $3,837 per capita on health car...
September 6, 2023: Inequality and the collapse of civilization, Mormon's coopting the cross, Should Trump stand trial, New Covid shutdowns, What happened to the Republican Party? 06.09.2023 1:11:41
Send us Fan Mail Two interesting thoughts from the mailbag. One listener writes, “In response to the #exmormon topic… personally if find exmo’s some of the most annoying people to listen to and I’m sorry if that sounds harsh but that’s because ultimately i don’t believe their intentions are genuine. I believe those people are more interested in convincing themselves that the choice they made to l...
August 30 2023: Prigozhin, CES Honor Code, Trauma in the church, GOP Presidential Debate, The value of leadership 30.08.2023 1:19:29
Send us Fan Mail We gotta start with Prigozhin. Sam, last week you suggested that he was the biggest threat to Putin, now he is no more . US officials say that a bomb is likely the cause of explosion that downed Wagner leader Prigozhin's plane, His death may help Ukraine in the short-term, but it removes Putin’s greatest internal threat. Besides the United States, who could stop Putin? The Th...
Russia and Ukraine Part III: Russian Monuments replaced, Navalny and democracy in Russia, Wagner Group in Africa 23.08.2023 48:28
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August 16, 2023: Grassroots activism, FBI kills Utah man, Confronting #exmormon, Election reform 16.08.2023 1:02:57
Send us Fan Mail let’s start with our new segment which I have renamed “The Thought Provoker”. This segment will explore the ideas and concepts that someone has to say. We focus on learning new things and challenging our own viewpoints. After each story, we will decide if someone had an interesting or unique take on something, and whether they were able to persuade others to see things their way. ...
August 9, 2023: Church growth, business principles and church callings, Hitler, Delusional disorder vs revelation 09.08.2023 54:27
Send us Fan Mail This week we are introducing a new segment called The Argumentative Edge. Each of us will introduce a topic and after we discuss the topic we will determine the winner based on how well the individual provoked new ideas or motivated us to consider a new perspective. First up, Shawn: The church’s published membership numbers show a boom in growth in the 80s, 90s and early 2000’s...
August 2, 2023: UFOs, Recycling Fraud in Arizona, The Sound of Freedom, How Can We Simplify Our Lives? 02.08.2023 42:35
Send us Fan Mail News: UFO whistleblower tells Congress the US has likely been aware of 'non-human' activity since 1930s. Is there enough evidence to persuade you that extraterrestrials have visited planet earth? Do church teachings help to sort out the mystery of UFOs? One family pocketed $7.6 million by taking cans and bottles from Arizona and recycling them in California. That's...
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