Shawn & Matt
The Latter Day Lens
Welcome to The Latter Day Lens, a weekly faith-based podcast where we explore the intersection of Mormonism, global news, and political science. Hosted by Shawn Record and Matthew Miles, a professor of political science, this is your home for an authentic and nuanced LDS perspective on the world’s toughest topics. Each episode provides thoughtful Latter-day Saint commentary on current events, ranging from Christianity and politics to social identity and economic policy. Whether you are an active LDS member seeking a deeper religious podcast experience or a listener interested in Mormon studies...
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Jul 8, 2026
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Episode 150: The Future of Public Service, Venezuela’s Regime Change, and Remembering President Holland 07.01.2026 58:53
Send us Fan Mail Episode Overview In this milestone 150th episode, Matt and Shawn reunite after a holiday break in San Diego to ring in the New Year. The discussion traverses personal mission memories of Elder Jeffrey R. Holland, the controversial geopolitical shift in Venezuela, the value of national monuments versus social programs, and a deep dive into what truly motivates civic leadership in r...
Episode 149: Church Influencers, State Rights, and the Labels That Divide Us 17.12.2025 48:53
Send us Fan Mail Announcements No new episodes through December 2025— Episode 150 drops January 2026. Apple Podcasts and Amazon Music feeds are experiencing technical issues. Follow Matt on Instagram during the break. Topics Young Men's Advisory Board: The newly announced Young Men's Advisory Board is notable because five of its fourteen volunteer advisors are public influencers, signali...
Episode 148: Abolish the FDA? The Radical Free Market Healthcare Fix & The "False Gods" of the US Military 10.12.2025 54:35
Send us Fan Mail Matt’s got a Christmas tree, a Lenin bust, and a bunch of books and maps in his office. Shawn has buckwheat, stockings, and very strong opinions. In this episode, the Latter Day Lens mailbag explodes and drags us into some uncomfortable but important questions about what Latter-day Saints really worship and trust. We wrestle with: Why so many women say they’d rather raise kids in...
Episode 147: US Religious Decline: Is America Becoming Like Europe? Political Power, Women's Distrust in American Democracy, and Wicked's Good vs. Evil 03.12.2025 50:09
Send us Fan Mail Faith and Exceptionalism (03:21) The US is becoming less religious , but Matt and Shawn debate if this signals secular decline or a unique American shift. Shifting Faith: Matt argues the decline of mainline Protestantism is due to its alignment with politics. He notes the growth of the Latter-day Saint Church and other faiths as people seek "pure religion," suggesting an...
Episode 146: Should Governments Sell Land, MTG Retires from Congress, CDC Website Changes, The CIA's Secret Studies on Persuasion 23.11.2025 53:38
Send us Fan Mail The Thought Provoker: First this week. Idaho's government voted to sell 160 acres of state land near the town of Driggs. The land is currently leased to the Beard family, who use it for ranching. A billionaire owns land next to this property and may want to buy it. The Land Board voted 4-1 to move forward with the sale. Is it morally wrong for states to sell public land to th...
Episode 145: Why Republicans Are in Trouble: Plus, The Debt Bomb and America's Biased Immigration Policy 19.11.2025 54:16
Send us Fan Mail In this packed episode, Matt and Shawn dive into the latest political and moral challenges facing the nation: The Republican Crisis: The conversation starts by analyzing the troubling election results for the Republican party and the unexpected demographic shifts moving away from Donald Trump. We discuss why Utah and Idaho remain the biggest exceptions to this trend, debating whet...
Episode 144: Freedom, Power, and the Price of Morality: Is Hinckley's Debt Advice Outdated? 12.11.2025 59:30
Send us Fan Mail Join hosts Matt, Shawn, and Melanie as they dive into complex, interconnected themes of freedom , power dynamics , and the difficult relationship between morality and economics . The conversation starts by challenging the idea that freedom is simply the "power to make choices," drawing on the philosophy of Victor Frankl to discuss the unchangeable freedom of response tha...
Episode 143: AI's Spiritual Skeptics, Epstein & the Royal Crown, Charlie Kirk's Shooter vs Ben Lomond High School Shooter 05.11.2025 40:04
Send us Fan Mail Welcome back to the Latter Day Lens! This week, hosts Matt and Shawn are joined by Marc to tackle pressing questions at the intersection of faith, economics, and emerging technology. We dive into the listener mailbag to explore the concept of Consecrationism —the idea that a perfect system requires people to willingly share their property and excess —and whether it represents a &q...
Episode 142: Islamophobia in New York, Zohran Mamdani's Socialism, A Record-Setting Grand Teton climb, and Trump's Pardons 29.10.2025 1:03:48
Send us Fan Mail In this conversation, Matt and Shawn explore various themes including sibling dynamics, communication styles, the ethics of gambling, cultural perspectives on Islamophobia, and the moral implications of socialism versus capitalism. They also discuss the role of justice and mercy in the legal system, particularly in relation to presidential pardons and political loyalty. The Though...
Episode 141: The Latter Day Almanac: President Oaks' Politics, Homan's Bribery Scandal, and the Science of the Soul 22.10.2025 55:16
Send us Fan Mail In this episode, the Shawn, Levi & Matt discuss a range of topics including peaceful protests, the role of church leaders in political matters, the influence of the church on political views, and the concept of mobilization in revolutions. They also delve into the ethics of prediction markets, the nature of bribery in politics, and the intersection of science and spirituality,...
Episode 140: The Antichrist, Argentina's Bailout, and the Inevitable War 15.10.2025 57:02
Send us Fan Mail Hosts Matt and Shawn go one-on-one this week for a deep dive into global hot topics, a passionate debate on economic policy, and a philosophical search for truth. They start by reading a listener letter that perfectly sums up their conversational dynamic—sometimes frustrating, always engaging, and never boring! 🎙️ In This Episode: (00:34) Listener Feedback & The Matt Phenomeno...
Episode 139: Polygamy in Eternity, General Conference Insights, Betting Markets, Is Trump a Socialist? 08.10.2025 43:47
Send us Fan Mail This week on Latter-day Lens, join Matt, Shawn, and Marc as they dive into a thought-provoking listener mailbag question: Is polygamy an eternal principle 💍 within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? The hosts wrestle with interpretations of Doctrine and Covenants 132, the sealing power, and the historical pattern of one man and one woman in scripture, challenging co...
Episode 138: Conference Predictions, Right-Wing Feminism, UDOT's Land Grab, Taylor Swift's Genius, and the Polygamy Question 01.10.2025 53:20
Send us Fan Mail This week, join the exceptionally fun trio of Shawn, Melanie, and Matt as they tackle some of the most compelling, and at times controversial, issues of our time! You won't want to miss their lively discussion on why some women choose a right-wing feminist strategy for survival, whether UDOT's use of eminent domain to build the FrontRunner 2X is morally justified, and if...
Episode 137: AI's White Collar Armageddon, Is It Okay To Get Fired For Your Opinions, and Is the D&C Racist? 24.09.2025 1:03:06
Send us Fan Mail In this episode, Matt, Shawn, and David, begin with some casual banter before diving into the main topics. Matt shares listener feedback, including a critique of his political views and a listener's interest in Shawn's career. This leads to a debate about whether a public school teacher should be fired for their personal opinions on social media, especially if they are g...
Episode 136: RFK Jr.: Integrity or Sellout?, Kamala Harris's Critique of Biden, Appropriate Response to Political Anger, Rise of Depression Diagnoses in the US 17.09.2025 57:08
Send us Fan Mail Summary In this episode, the Shawn, Porter, and Matt discuss various political and social issues, including Project 2025, the Alcohol Intake and Health Study, RFK Jr.'s political integrity, Kamala Harris's critique of Biden, public outrage over judicial decisions, and the rising rates of depression among young Americans. They emphasize the importance of understanding the...
Episode 135: The American Dream, Unequal Responses to Tragedy, Trump's Use of Power, We Love Those Who Praise Us 10.09.2025 58:22
Send us Fan Mail In this episode, the Shawn, Matt & Levi discuss various themes including the importance of friendships, the concept of the American dream and exceptionalism, the response to loss of life in legislation, the influence of Trump's presidency on personal wealth, and the nature of government and leadership. They explore how societal values shape responses to tragedy and the mo...
Episode 134: Trump, Flag Burning, the Success of Socialism in Spain, and the Decline of Christianity in the United States 03.09.2025 47:13
Send us Fan Mail This week on The Latter-day Lens, join your host Matt, with co-host Shawn and special guest Linda, as they tackle a series of thought-provoking questions. The discussion kicks off with President Trump's stance on flag burning and its legal and moral implications in the context of the First Amendment. The hosts then pivot to an analysis of Spain's recent economic boom und...
Episode 133: The Brotherhood Crisis: Are Men Morally Obligated to Make Friends? 27.08.2025 51:45
Send us Fan Mail In this thought-provoking episode of The Latter Day Lens, hosts Matt, Shawn, and newly-called Elders Quorum President Marc tackle some of today's most pressing questions about masculinity, friendship, and faith. The Friendship Imperative The conversation begins with a listener's observation about the importance of truly knowing individuals in church leadership rather tha...
Episode 132: Zipper Merging, Arresting Putin, the Intel Socialism Debate, and the Need for Male Mentors 20.08.2025 48:11
Send us Fan Mail Welcome to The Latter-day Lens! In this week's episode, hosts Shawn, Matt, and Graham tackle some of the most pressing questions from the mailbag and beyond. Info on the Zipper Merge The Thought Provoker: First this week: A recent survey shows that only 40% of Americans would like their child to attend a four-year college right out of high school. More Americans would like t...
Episode 131: Is the Second Coming Imminent? Russia, the Economy, and Latter-day Prophecy 13.08.2025 45:29
Send us Fan Mail In this episode, hosts Shawn, Matt, & Melanie are back together and jump right into a thought-provoking mailbag question about the podcast's "most listened to" status. Matt backs up the claim with some surprising metrics, and the hosts share their differing views on promoting the show. They then dive into three major topics: Russia: The hosts discuss a Russian j...
Episode 130: The Agency of AI, the Morality of Medical Debt Reporting, & Loneliness in Zion 06.08.2025 1:00:25
Send us Fan Mail In this episode, the Shawn, Matt, & Porter discuss various topics including the role of AI in communication, medical debt, and the loneliness crisis in Utah. First up: AI is changing the way that people speak . Researchers analyzed 280,000 YouTube videos from academic channels and found that in the 18 months since ChatGPT was released speakers are using words favored by the ch...
Episode 129: 4-Day Work Week, & Texas Redistricting:, Communal Economic Equality 30.07.2025 45:40
Send us Fan Mail Episode Description: This week, we dive into a listener's take on Trump's Brazil tariffs and the "BRICS threat." Then, we explore Iceland's successful 4-day work week and ponder the future of labor in a tech-driven world. We also tackle the contentious issue of mid-decade redistricting in Texas , examining its legality versus its morality. Finally, we disc...
Episode 128: MAGA's Meaning, Epstein's Secrets, China 2.0, and the Morality of Legal Fees 23.07.2025 52:32
Send us Fan Mail This week on the Latter Day Lens, Matt, Shawn, and Marc dive into a whirlwind of topics, from economic theory and political landscapes to the legal system. Get ready for lively debate and unexpected agreements! 00:01 - 01:00: Kicking Off with Reenactments and Ribbing The episode opens with Matt introducing Marc as "a guy that voted for Trump," leading into a light-hearte...
Episode 127: Unsolved Crimes, Undocumented Workers, and Unchecked Power: Where Do We Draw the Line? 16.07.2025 50:59
Send us Fan Mail This week on The Latter Day Lens, Matt, Shawn, and Graham tackle a thought-provoking lineup of topics that cut to the heart of justice, liberty, and the proper role of government. We dive deep into the surprising reality of America's low crime clearance rates and ask if it's time for a new approach to deterring crime. Then, we pivot to a local controversy in Provo, Utah,...
Episode 126: Unpacking Propaganda, Power, and Protest 09.07.2025 1:00:46
Send us Fan Mail This episode of Latter Day Lens dives into some heavy-hitting topics, from the nature of propaganda in foundational American documents to the complexities of the BYU Honor Code and the nuanced role of conflict in societal change. Here's a breakdown of the key discussions: Propaganda: Good or Bad? The hosts grapple with the definition of propaganda, debating whether historical...
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