The Internal Move Podcast with Fexingo: Lateral Roles, Internal Transfers, and Staying at Your Company

Episode 32 of The Internal Move Podcast explores when and how to hire a career coach specifically for an internal transfer. Lucas and Luna discuss the key differences between working with a coach for an external job search versus an internal move, using the example of a mid-level marketing manager at a Fortune 500 retailer who hired a coach to navigate a lateral shift into product management. They...

Episode 31 of The Internal Move Podcast explores a counterintuitive strategy: negotiating your internal transfer as if you were a new external hire. Lucas and Luna break down the psychological barriers that make internal candidates accept worse terms, citing a 2024 Payscale study showing internal movers earn 5–10% less than external hires in similar roles. They walk through a real case from a Fort...

Lucas and Luna dive into the career lattice concept as an alternative to the traditional career ladder for internal transfers. They use the example of a marketing manager at Procter & Gamble who moved laterally into supply chain, leveraging cross-functional project experience. The episode covers how to map your skills to different departments, identify hidden lattice paths, and negotiate a move th...

In this episode of The Internal Move Podcast, Lucas and Luna explore how an internal transfer can fundamentally shift your career trajectory — not just a lateral move or a small raise, but a strategic pivot into a new function or industry. They examine the case of a marketing manager at a large consumer goods company who successfully moved into product management within the same firm, leveraging i...

Episode 28 of The Internal Move Podcast dives into the 'career sniper' — a targeted internal job hunt that bypasses broad applications. Lucas and Luna break down a real case: a marketing manager at a Fortune 500 company who landed a senior analytics role by identifying three specific teams, building relationships with their directors, and crafting a pitch tailored to each. They discuss the sniper'...

In this episode of The Internal Move Podcast, Lucas and Luna explore how to strategically rebrand yourself for an internal transfer without starting from scratch. They dive into the story of a marketing manager at a Fortune 500 consumer goods company who successfully pivoted from brand management to data analytics within the same firm by leveraging existing credibility, internal endorsements, and...

Lucas and Luna tackle one of the trickiest career dilemmas: how to transfer internally when your current manager is the reason you want to leave. They break down a real example from a listener at a large tech firm who successfully moved teams despite a vindictive boss blocking the process. The hosts discuss specific tactics like building sponsorship with skip-level leaders, timing your application...

Episode 25 of The Internal Move Podcast explores a fresh angle: using an internal transfer not just for a promotion or lateral move, but as a deliberate career reset. Lucas and Luna discuss the case of a marketing manager at a Fortune 500 company who transferred from a consumer brand role to a B2B product role, effectively resetting her industry expertise and title trajectory. They break down the...

Episode 24 of The Internal Move Podcast. Lucas and Luna explore the concept of the 'career sniper' — a trusted colleague inside your company who can quietly scout roles, assess team culture, and advocate for you before you even apply. They break down how to identify the right person, the specific ask that works, and why most people pick the wrong ally. Using a real example from a mid-size tech fir...

Lucas and Luna explore the 'career lattice' as an alternative to the traditional career ladder. Using the case of a marketing manager at Procter & Gamble who pivoted into supply chain analytics via a lateral-adjacent move, they break down how to identify viable lattice moves within your own company. They discuss lattice mapping, the 70-20-10 rule for skill adjacency, and how to avoid the 'diagonal...

Episode 22 of The Internal Move Podcast explores how to use a company sabbatical as a strategic bridge to an internal transfer. Lucas and Luna break down the story of a marketing manager who took a three-month personal leave to shadow the product team, then successfully moved into a product role without applying for a single job posting. They discuss the difference between a sabbatical and a quiet...

Episode 21 of The Internal Move Podcast tackles the 'internal transfer trial' — a low-risk way to preview a new role before formally committing. Lucas and Luna break down how one senior financial analyst at JPMorgan Chase used a six-week shadow rotation to test a move from corporate treasury to the asset management division, saving herself from a failed transfer that would have cost her over 15 pe...

Lucas and Luna explore the counterintuitive strategy of using a reverse mentor—a junior colleague who can teach you about a new department’s culture, tools, and unwritten rules—to improve your internal transfer success. They walk through a case study of a senior marketing manager at a Fortune 500 retailer who reverse-mentored a data analyst to decode the analytics team’s norms before formally appl...

Episode 19 of The Internal Move Podcast tackles a career blind spot: when your internal reputation lags behind your current skill set. Lucas and Luna discuss why the person your colleagues think you are can block a move to a new role, even when you've outgrown your old one. They walk through the case of a marketing manager at a mid-size B2B software firm who wanted to move into product management...

When you apply for an internal move, your manager is usually the first person the hiring manager calls — which can tank your chances before you even interview. Ep 18 of The Internal Move Podcast digs into why the standard 'permission-based reference' model breaks down inside a single company. Lucas and Luna walk through a real case from a Fortune 500 tech firm where an employee lost a promotion be...

Episode 17 of The Internal Move Podcast explores the untapped power of shadowing. Lucas and Luna dive into how job shadowing, often dismissed as a low-stakes activity, can actually be your best internal transfer strategy. They walk through the case of a marketing coordinator at a Fortune 500 firm who shadowed a product manager for three months, built a business case for the move, and landed the ro...

Episode 16 of The Internal Move Podcast exposes the hidden trap lurking inside most internal transfer offers: the extended probation period. Lucas and Luna unpack a real case from a Fortune 500 tech firm where a senior marketing manager accepted a lateral move into product strategy, only to discover her probation clause allowed the company to rescind her role with zero severance after ninety days....

Episode 15 of The Internal Move Podcast dives into a hidden career trap: the noncompete clause you signed when you joined your current company — years before you ever considered an internal transfer. Lucas and Luna walk through the case of a marketing manager at a large consumer goods firm who was blocked from moving to a new internal division because her original employment agreement restricted h...

Most people treat an internal transfer like an external job hunt: they polish their resume, write a cover letter, and wait for HR to call back. But Lucas and Luna argue that approach is backward — and it's why so many internal candidates lose out to external hires. In this episode, Lucas breaks down the one piece of paper you should never submit for an internal role (spoiler: it's your current res...

Leaving an internal role is harder than leaving an external one — your former manager, teammates, and stakeholders don't disappear; they become your ongoing colleagues. In this episode, Lucas and Luna break down the specific etiquette of an internal departure, using the example of a marketing manager who moved from the brand team to the product team at a Fortune 500 retailer. They cover the three-...

In this episode of The Internal Move Podcast, Lucas and Luna explore the power of your internal network to uncover roles that never get posted publicly. They dive into a 2025 LinkedIn study showing that 62% of internal hires come from informal referrals, not job boards. Using a real example of a marketing manager at a Fortune 500 firm who landed a product role through a casual coffee chat, they br...

Episode 11 of The Internal Move Podcast tackles a painful reality: internal transfers that come with a pay cut. Lucas and Luna break down the specific scenario where moving laterally into a different function or business unit can reset your compensation—even if you're a top performer. They walk through the story of a marketing manager at a large tech firm who transferred into product management at...

You get a job offer from another company, you tell your boss you're leaving, and suddenly your current employer offers you more money, a new title, or a different role to stay. Should you take it? In this episode of The Internal Move Podcast, Lucas and Luna look at the internal counteroffer: why employers make them, what the data says about staying after accepting one, and how to navigate the mome...

Most employees walk into internal transfer conversations as if they have no leverage. Lucas and Luna unpack why that instinct is wrong — and how a 2025 Gartner survey found that internal candidates who treated the move like an external negotiation secured 18 percent higher compensation adjustments. They walk through the case of a marketing manager at Procter & Gamble who used external offer data t...

In this episode of The Internal Move Podcast, Lucas and Luna explore a career mobility strategy that's hiding in plain sight: using your current colleagues as internal references. Rather than relying on a formal application and a faceless hiring manager, the co-hosts break down how a well-timed internal referral from someone inside the target team can triple your interview-to-offer conversion rate...