Stone Center for Research on Wealth Inequality and Mobility
The Inequality Podcast
Presented by the James M. and Cathleen D. Stone Center for Research on Wealth Inequality and Mobility at the University of Chicago's Harris School of Public Policy, The Inequality Podcast brings together scholars across disciplines to discuss the causes and consequences of inequality and strategies to promote economic mobility. This podcast is hosted by sociologist Geoff Wodtke and economists Steven Durlauf and Damon Jones.
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Nov 2, 2026
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Doug Downey on ‘How Schools Really Matter’ 17.11.2025 45:02
From the Great Society to No Child Left Behind, policymakers from both parties have argued America’s schools are broken and need fixing. These failing schools, the thinking goes, exacerbate the inequality between advantaged groups and everyone else. But this approach comes with risks. For one, how might that focus on education overlook other, potentially more consequential sources of inequality? A...
Nicole Fortin on the Economic Progress of Women 03.11.2025 39:09
Inequality along gender lines stubbornly persists both in the United States and abroad. In addition, measuring the relative importance of its varied causes can be difficult. But creative approaches to study design and decomposition methods have yielded new insights. Today’s guest is responsible for many of them. Nicole Fortin is a professor at the Vancouver School of Economics at the University of...
Damon Jones on Household Finance and Racial Inequality 20.10.2025 47:18
A sudden loss of income can devastate a household’s financial health, just as a payment from the government can bolster it. The extent of the change in fortune — for good or ill — depends on factors such as household savings, which are, in turn, influenced by other forces, including racial inequality and economic policy. In short, understanding household finance requires grappling with myriad vari...
Joseph Fishkin on ‘Bottlenecks’ and Democracy 06.10.2025 49:24
“Equal opportunity” is a powerful and popular idea. But in both theory and practice, actually equalizing opportunity may not always be the right goal. For example, a parent raising a child makes a million decisions large and small that will impact that child’s opportunities. Truly equalizing opportunity might mean standardizing many parental decisions, stripping parents of their agency and persona...
Alexander Monge-Naranjo on the College Affordability Crisis 22.09.2025 31:51
Choosing a college is one of the biggest financial decisions a young adult will make. It’s no secret that college is expensive, and that lower-income students often require more assistance to manage those high costs. What’s less well known is how access to credit—or the lack thereof—can enhance or reduce inequality. Alexander Monge-Naranjo is a vice president at the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta...
Francisco Ferreira on Inherited Inequality 08.09.2025 35:40
When it comes to inheritance, prosperity and adversity are two sides of the same coin. Inheritance can allow parents to pass economic security and opportunity to their children. But inheritance can also transmit disadvantages. The children of low-income parents may live in under-resourced neighborhoods, attend low-performing schools, receive inadequate health care, and overall be offered limited p...
Wendy Carlin on Changing Economics’ “Core” Curriculum 25.08.2025 40:16
Many undergraduates study the economy in depth only once: in an introductory survey course. But a traditional “Econ 101" syllabus can omit vital topics, including inequality and climate change. These subjects are often left for later courses, which most students will never take. Wendy Carlin is a professor of economics at University College London, where she co-directs the UCL Stone Center. She ov...
Eric Schliesser on Adam Smith’s Warnings About Inequality 11.08.2025 39:27
Some 300 years after his birth, Adam Smith remains a towering figure in economic thought — and one whose ideas are often oversimplified. While Smith is rightly remembered as a champion of free markets, he also wrote extensively about those left behind by unfettered capitalism, articulating a moral philosophy not nearly as well known as “the invisible hand.” Eric Schliesser is a professor of politi...
Cristobal Young on ‘The Myth’ of Millionaire Tax Flight 28.07.2025 47:19
In every corner of the world, right-wing and even centrist policymakers voice a similar argument: that raising taxes will lead high earners to flee. In the United States, fear of tax flight looms large in blue states, where lawmakers worry local millionaires will decamp for tax havens like Florida and Texas. But research shows that even in states like Illinois, New York and California, millionaire...
Caterina Calsamiglia on Incentive and Equity Effects in School Choice and Education Policy 14.07.2025 40:58
Few policy areas generate the level of charged debate that education policy does. For parents and teachers alike, issues such as school choice, standardized testing, and discipline have persisted as political lightning rods. In such a contentious environment, finding evidence-based solutions is essential to improving both decision-making and educational outcomes. Caterina Calsamiglia is an ICREA R...
Fabian Pfeffer on Wealth Inequality Across Countries 30.06.2025 43:21
Whatever a country’s level of income inequality, its level of wealth inequality is even worse. In fact, in many countries there is no correlation between the level of income inequality and wealth inequality. So if differences in income aren’t the main factor driving wealth inequality, what is? Fabian Pfeffer is a professor of sociology at the Ludwig-Maximilians-University (LMU) Munich where he hol...
Rachel Kranton on Identity and Economics 16.06.2025 41:25
In traditional economic models, individuals have one overriding motivation: utility. While this utility-maximizing paradigm has its advantages, it risks overlooking other forces that shape individual decision-making. One such force is group identity. Whereas a utility-maximizing model emphasizes what one wants, an identity-based model might emphasize what one believes they should want — because of...
Educational Attainment and Inequality, featuring Salvador Navarro and Stephen Trejo 02.06.2025 46:38
The most complete measures of inequality consider the full life-course of an individual, from childhood to adulthood, and from adulthood to old age. One determinant of life outcomes is education, particularly whether one has obtained a college degree. Research has shown clear benefits of earning a diploma. But many qualified young people do not pursue one. Why? Today on the show, we present two co...
Deirdre Bloome on Intergenerational-Contextual Approaches to Inequality 19.05.2025 45:20
Some of the most heated debates in American life center on how much intergenerational inequality is influenced by historical context. Inequality, of course, doesn’t come out of nowhere—history always exerts some influence—but to what extent are today’s ills attributable to those of the past? The challenge for scholars is to pinpoint the exact mechanisms through which decades- or centurie...
Dionissi Aliprantis on Segregation and Neighborhood Effects 05.05.2025 41:53
Decades after the end of Jim Crow, residential segregation remains a major factor in American life. The historical causes of this are well-known; less so are the ongoing forces that maintain segregation, despite progress made in other areas. For example, why do so many more high-income Black households live in low-income neighborhoods when compared to their affluent white counterparts? What drives...
Scott Page on Complex Systems Thinking and Diversity 21.04.2025 55:42
Traditional economic models often rely on tidy assumptions: rational agents, stable equilibria, linear relationships and so on. But those models can struggle to capture the messy reality of actual systems. Societies are constantly evolving. Assumptions can shift. And isolating the variables that underlie such changes can be daunting. Scott Page is the John Seely Brown Distinguished University Prof...
Daniel Aldana Cohen on the Climate and Housing Crises 07.04.2025 40:21
The United States doesn’t have enough affordable housing. It has also failed to adequately address the climate crisis. These statements may not appear connected in any obvious way, but addressing one crisis inevitably leads to questions about the other. How do we build millions of new homes without leaving a massive carbon footprint? Perhaps one answer is to retrofit. But if cities fund eco-friend...
Peter Boettke on Classical Liberalism’s Moral Philosophy 24.03.2025 47:21
Economists are often accused of practicing a “dismal science,” a discipline defined by the sober measurement of humanity’s limits: scarcity, zero-sum propositions, and inequality. But the old stereotype overlooks a more hopeful side of the science, one in which economists resemble moral philosophers. Peter Boettke is among the foremost scholars of this latter brand of economics. He teaches at Geor...
The Age of Unpredictable and Precarious Work, featuring Jake Rosenfeld and Daniel Schneider 10.03.2025 1:05:48
For tens of millions of Americans, working life is characterized by uncertainty and limited recourse. Hours can be plentiful one week and fleeting the next, and often unpredictable, with shifts arranged on short notice, at odd hours, or canceled just as erratically. The prevalence of at-will employment amplifies this insecurity, as the threat of job loss—a potentially devastating blow to both work...
Advances and Obstacles in Gender Inequality, Featuring Martha Bailey and Natasha Quadlin 24.02.2025 1:08:08
Sixty years ago, equal pay laws, the women’s movement, and widespread access to contraception ushered in a new era, transforming the lives of American women. In the years since, women’s place in higher education, the labor market, and wider society has dramatically expanded. American women live with the legacy of that progress yet remain hemmed in by its limits. Today, we present two conversations...
Lauren Rivera on Meritocracy and Its Failings 10.02.2025 53:04
In the United States, meritocracy looms large. Proponents argue that one should earn wealth and prestige through hard work, intelligence, and ability. However, any defender of meritocracy should contend with its shortcomings. Lauren Rivera is the Peter G. Peterson Chair in Corporate Ethics at Northwestern University’s Kellogg School, and the author of Pedigree: How Elite Students Get Elite Jobs ,...
David Lay Williams on the Intellectual History of Inequality 27.01.2025 48:05
Thousands of years before the modern era, great thinkers were theorizing about economic inequality. Unequal conditions were a focus of both Plato and Jesus, just as it was for later thinkers like Hobbes, Rousseau and Marx. David Lay Williams is a professor of political science at DePaul University. His new book, “The Greatest of All Plagues: How Economic Inequality Shaped Political Thought from Pl...
Transdisciplinary Approaches to Wealth Inequality, Featuring Alberto Bisin and Jean-Philippe Bouchaud 13.01.2025 57:28
As this podcast has highlighted before, cross-disciplinary collaboration can enrich practically any investigation into the nature of inequality. It is hard to find more compelling evidence of this than recent breakthroughs in the study of wealth inequality. Today on the show, we speak to two experts who have made fundamental contributions to this literature, in part by drawing on physics, math, an...
Sports, Race, and Labor, Featuring Bomani Jones, Ilyana Kuziemko, Matthew Notowidigdo, and Kenneth Shropshire 30.12.2024 1:23:23
College athletics has tumbled into an unpredictable era. Money paid to players for their name, image and likeness has shaken long-held assumptions about what it means to be a college athlete. But although NIL deals have kicked off a new era in college sports, the tensions and conflicts involved are nothing new — nor are they unique to college athletics. Today on the show, we present a convers...
The Costs of Mass Incarceration Featuring Christopher Muller and Hedy Lee 16.12.2024 42:34
One of the most pernicious drivers of inequality in the United States over the past half century has been mass incarceration. Moreover, the consequences of mass incarceration have been borne not just by those held in prisons, but by their families and communities as well. First, Harvard sociologist Christopher Muller traces the historical roots of mass incarceration. He illuminates the close assoc...
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