Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir
The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast
Some leaders are full of substance, and others are hollow bunnies. Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir have experienced both as they rose through the ranks to eventually become police chiefs in their respective departments. They’ll share what they’ve learned and talk with other industry leaders in conversations that will frequently devolve from focused to fun.
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Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir
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Jul 3, 2026
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Episodes
Hope > Trust? 20.05.2025 26:52
Kristen and Sylvia discuss a counterintuitive study that suggests that employees value Hope over Trust from their employers. What do they make of this, and how many off-ramps do they take to discuss other topics?
Double Denim and a Dickie 21.03.2025 41:02
Employees aren’t quitting—they’re disengaging. They’re showing up, but they’re not present. It’s called The Great Detachment, and it’s killing productivity, morale, and innovation. In this episode, Sylvia and Kristen break down why employees are checking out, what leaders are getting wrong, and how to fix it. Spoiler: it’s not about perks—it’s about purpose, recognition, and trust. If you want a t...
Coconut Milk 07.03.2025 33:03
Sylvia and Kristen are back with another episode of The Hollow Bunny Leadership Podcast, and this time, they’re tackling one of the biggest leadership pitfalls—thinking you’re being clear when you’re not. It all started with what seemed like a simple request, but quickly turned into confusion and frustration. That moment became the perfect metaphor for leadership: when leaders have a vision but do...
43. Bison Walk into a Snowstorm 31.01.2025 51:18
Our episode begins with Sylvia offering meditation advice that Kristen can get behind, and along the way we learn that bison walk into a snowstorm because they instinctively know they'll get through it faster that way.
42. The Reboot 16.01.2025 1:03:43
We haven't posted a podcast in a while. Life got in the way, but every obstacle is an opportunity. The result is Episode 42, The Reboot.
41. Rank is not Leadership with Chris Hsiung 23.08.2024 49:02
Kristen & Sylvia visit with Chris Hsiung, a former police chief and founding board member of " The Curve ," a non-profit created with the goal of modernizing police culture from within the profession.
40. If I Can Think It and It Makes Sense, I Can Make It Happen with Michael Koonce 02.08.2024 50:39
Michael Koonce is the president of H2 Strategics and a pro at helping customers adopt hydrogen as an alternative clean fuel that is profitable and good for the globe. He is known for aiding customers with whole solutions not just a single piece of equipment or delivery. His work ethic, positive attitude, business acumen and holistic approach teaches leaders on various enterprises about becoming in...
39. How to Handle Narcissists 13.07.2024 42:15
Kristen & Sylvia discuss narcissism, how it can benefit leaders (in small doses) and how to handle leaders who have it.
38. The Monk, The Nun, and The Interrogater with Scott Thuman 21.06.2024 49:17
Scott Thuman anchors 7News' 5 p.m., 6 p.m. and 11 p.m. newscasts every weeknight in Washington DC. Over the years, his objective coverage has earned him many awards, including multiple Emmys, AP, Murrow, and Telly honors. Scott spent much of the last decade as Chief Political Correspondent at the Sinclair Broadcast Group before returning to 7News in 2024. He’s also a weekly contributor to the nati...
37. Look Good Feel Good with Sarah LaMont 07.06.2024 52:40
In Sarah LaMont's own words: "When I graduated college with a degree in Graphic Design from the University of Washington I had a hard time finding a job in my field, that is when I secured a second job at Nordstrom in Downtown Seattle as a Salesperson in the Women’s Petite Department. Admittedly, I didn’t think it was a real job… on my very first day I tended to a 5 feet tall woman who was overwhe...
36. Pocket of Magic with Becky Stickley 24.05.2024 51:11
Before she was an entrepreneur, Becky Stickley was an "intrapreneur." Her career path has been more of a jungle gym than a ladder and she has served as a children’s librarian, trademark assistant, communications professional, and project manager. Throughout her career, she excelled and collected all the gold stars. Until she got “the promotion that changed everything.” In the midst of overwhelm an...
35. What’s a Good Euphemism for Over-Modulated? 11.05.2024 50:39
After two guests cancel, Kristen & Sylvia fill the void with a fun-filled and informative conversation ranging from the lessons learned from the Adam Grant book "Think Again," to a discussion about the people in our lives, including "illuminators" and "diminishers," all brought to you by our new sponsors: Naked Attraction, Yellow Legal Pads & No. 2 Pencils, Coach and Tumi (not really).
34. Unread e-mails, a Snooze Alarm and Unmade Beds with Jennifer Gonzales 26.04.2024 50:08
Jennifer Gonzales is the Chief of Police of Napa, California, despite the fact that she doesn't make her bed every morning. As our chiefs Kristen and Sylvia try to understand how a person so accomplished can be so negligent toward her own bed, they are blindsided by the number of unread emails in Chief Gonzales' phone and how many snooze alarms she has set every morning. The lesson is that there a...
33. A Little Bit of Everything 12.04.2024 46:01
What began as a chat about branding and coordinating calendars devolved (evolved?) into a long conversation on a wide range of topics. Included in this discussion: cold plunging, genetalia differences, creating accountability for good habits, gut health, almond milk, breathing through your nose, the obesity epidemic in industrialized countries, Kristen shopping for a Mercedes Revel before realizin...
32. Trust Talk (and some Naked Attraction) with Sunny Lee-Goodman 29.03.2024 52:46
Sunny Lee-Goodman is the Lead Consultant for Inclusion and Diversity with Lapin Consulting International. With over twenty-five years of experience, she is passionate about developing inclusive leaders who inspire and bring out the best in their teams. In this episode, Sunny talks a lot about trust, and the need to give it in order to receive it. Join us for coffee, tequila, and Sunny!
31. F Around and Find Out with Naren Aryal 15.03.2024 54:29
Naren Aryal wil always have a special place in our hearts for publishing Kristen’s book Reimaging Blue. The former lawyer began his career in books two decades ago by writing a children’s book for his daughter about the mascot at Virginia Tech, where he went to college. In this episode, we learn about the grueling process of writing and re-writing a manuscript, experienced first-hand by Kristen an...
30. Crisis Communication with Julie Parker 02.03.2024 51:19
Julie Parker’s entire career has led to this moment as the CEO of her own consultancy, Julie Parker Communications. With deep experience in all facets of the media industry, she is uniquely positioned to guide government agencies, nonprofit and for-profit organizations through the intricacies of communications training. Her roles as an Emmy and Edward R. Murrow award-winning journalist in Washingt...
29. Cold Dipping and Other Witchcraft that Works - Steve Goard 16.02.2024 45:22
Lieutenant Steve Goard has dedicated 21 years to working in various law enforcement assignments. He has served as a patrol officer, Field Training Officer, sexual assault detective, SWAT Team Member, Assistant Team Leader for the Sniper Team, Press Information Officer, Range Instructor, and Reality Based Training Instructor. Currently, Lieutenant Goard is assigned to patrol as a Watch Commander. A...
28.5 Little Nibbles - Charitable Assumptions 09.02.2024 7:59
Every once in a while, Kristen & Sylvia like to provide our millions of listeners with a “little nibble” to bridge the gap between full episodes. Enjoy 8 minutes with our chiefs talking about making charitable assumptions.
28. Which Came First, the Educator or the Drag Queen? - Jezebel Bardot 07.02.2024 52:47
Jezebel Bardot is Toronto's French-Canadian drag diva. Starting her career with impersonations of comedy tycoon Joan Rivers, Jezebel has modeled her stage persona around strong, inspiring women. By day, Jezebel - aka Jason when he's not in drag - works in education and has a background in Sports Psychology & Physical Education. On stage t his translates into Jezebel's characteristic heart, wit...
26. The Voiceover Artist - Bobby Hollis 06.01.2024 52:27
Robert “Bobby” Hollis is the Deputy Chief for the Lacey Police Department and has worked in law enforcement for 23+ years. He has worked with three other agencies, spending the majority of his time with the Kent Police Department. Throughout his career he has worked as a Field Training Officer (FTO), collision investigator, Public Information officer (PIO), recruiting officer and SWAT officer. As...
25. Live a Thousand Lives - Jonae Harrison 22.12.2023 42:32
Jonae has over two decades of legal and policy experience in government, non-profit, corporate and private practice. Her most recent roles demonstrate vast experience in folding law and policies together for large scale impact. Jonae currently supports Adelante Healthcare’s mission of Healthy People, Sustained by Healthy Communities. As Adelante’s Chief Operations Officer, Jonae believes that sust...
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