Nate Hagens
The Great Simplification with Nate Hagens
The Great Simplification is a podcast that explores the systems science underpinning the human predicament. Through conversations with experts and leaders hosted by Dr. Nate Hagens, we explore topics spanning ecology, economics, energy, geopolitics, human behavior, and monetary/financial systems. Our goal is to provide a simple educational resource for the complex energetic, physical, and social constraints ahead, and to inspire people to play a role in our collective future. Ultimately, we aim to normalize these conversations and, in doing so, change the initial conditions of future events.
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Nate Hagens
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Jul 10, 2026
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Episodes
The Quiet Part Out Loud | Frankly #13 21.10.2022 11:58
Of all the challenges facing our culture, the fact that humans use social sorting mechanisms to solve physical world problems looms as perhaps the greatest. This Frankly is a reflection on the possibility of sharing a socially unpalatable message to a large percentage of citizens and leaders. Our vertical and horizontal social infrastructure isn't built to process, share and address challenges of...
Marty Kearns: "Building Networks in Uncertain Times" 19.10.2022 1:17:56
On this episode, Nate is joined by Marty Kearns, a civic organizer and networking specialist. He and Marty discuss why both networks and communities will be critical to the coming challenges we face. How will the social ties we form now influence the outcome of power, peace and new social organization? How can we organize ourselves in order to best meet the future that is coming? About Marty Kearn...
The Speed Bump | Frankly #12 14.10.2022 22:24
Despite the improved standard of living that modern finance has enabled, it has also created an unsustainable economic system rife with systemic risk. Recent trends in debt, monetary inflation, interest rates and U.S. dollar hegemony are accelerating us toward a point of biophysical reckoning when the system can no longer function as intended, and nearly everyone's financial comfort level will suf...
Mary Evelyn Tucker: "Religion, Ecology, and the Future" 12.10.2022 1:02:51
This week, religious scholar Mary Evelyn Tucker unpacks the entanglement of religion and ecology from an academic perspective. She and Nate discuss what the roots of environmental ethics in religions all over the world look like and how they've been evolving in the face of a climate and biodiversity crisis. Could we learn and leverage the uniting power of religion to help us organize and mobilize...
In Spite Of... | Frankly #11 07.10.2022 12:04
We are a product of evolutionary processes - certain categories of behaviors made our ancestors more 'fit' depending on the environmental/social circumstances in the past. One of these behaviors - 'spite' - is when an animal (or human) actively does something against their self-interest as long as it hurts their competitor more. In a post growth world I expect - and fear - that this dynamic will b...
Ayan Mahamoud: "East Africa and the Poly-Crisis" 05.10.2022 1:12:49
On this episode, Nate talks with Ayan Mahamoud, a climate and resilience planner from Djibouti. They discuss the growing challenge the poly-crisis poses for the Global South and how climate change is already creating challenges for people (and animals) in East Africa. In many ways, the discussions in our world are not only energy blind but also blind to accelerating threats to nations outside our...
The 7 Stages of Climate Awareness | Frankly #10 30.09.2022 14:23
Climate change is often described as one of the single most important and existential issues of our time - that there is no greater threat to humanity. While the effects of climate on our ecosystems and wildlife is one of my greatest concerns, it does not tell the whole story. On this weeks Frankly, I highlight (what was in my case) Seven Stages of Climate Awareness – from recognizing 'there is a...
Sebastian Heitmann: "Gigacorns" 28.09.2022 1:34:42
On this episode, venture capitalist and entrepreneur Sebastian Heitmann discusses his work in tech innovation towards more sustainable futures. Technology will inherently be a part of any human future - the question is what will this technology be? Sebastian's work focuses on finding what is termed 'Gigacorns' - scalable inventions for low(er) carbon futures. If successful, this could result in la...
Creatures United | Frankly #9 24.09.2022 14:04
This week's Frankly is a reflection in response to (and support of) Gerardo Ceballos' new project Creatures United , launching this week at Stanford University.. The Earth is in the middle of a massive biodiversity and population loss - on the verge of a 6th Mass Extinction. Though most conversations and actions will revolve around the economy, poverty, finance, and geopolitics, the other creatur...
Martin Sheringer: "The Growing Threat from Chemical Pollution" 21.09.2022 1:17:12
On this episode, Professor of environmental chemistry Martin Sheringer joins Nate. Together, they discuss Sheringer's most recent paper on PFAS - the 'forever chemicals, their ubiquity in waterways all over the globe, and their numerous critical health effects. More broadly, they outline the risks and scenarios of plastic pollution to planetary futures - and what we might do about it. Is it possib...
The 6th Pool..? | Frankly #8 17.09.2022 13:02
On this segment of Frankly, Nate responds to the predicament of increased use of forests, especially in Europe, for heating fuel in the face of declining availability of Natural Gas and other fossil fuels. Will this be a 'Terminal Deforestation Event'? What does this mean for the future of climate and accuracy of models? The importance of trees cannot be underestimated as we approach the end of ch...
Douglas Rushkoff: "The Ultimate Exit Strategy" 14.09.2022 1:23:21
On this episode, Author and Professor Douglas Rushkoff joins Nate to discuss how human behavior interacts with technology and how we have arrived at a place with enormous wealth and income inequality just as society is rapidly approaching biophysical limits. Rushkoff unpacks parts of his new book, Survival of the Richest: Escape Fantasies of the Tech Billionaires, on the need to collectively brea...
Growth Until Not | Frankly #7 09.09.2022 22:32
Earlier this week there was a livestream debate highlighting the key points of the Green Growth and DeGrowth perspectives - this week's Frankly adds a 3rd 'growth critical' perspective - that modern society has a metabolism and momentum and will grow - in non-green ways - until we can't. This is a critical third category that should be included in these discussions, despite its 'tougher sell'. F...
Steve Vavrus: "Arctic Fever? Taking the Arctic's Temperature" 07.09.2022 59:35
On this episode, Climate Scientist Steve Vavrus joins Nate to discuss the Arctic and its critical impact on climate science. Why are the effects of warming so extreme in the Arctic, and what are the implications for weather events and average temperatures on the rest of the planet? Do runaway arctic feedback loops mean disaster 'Blue Ocean' scenarios? Steve explains why the answers to these quest...
Kiril Sokoloff: "What's the Most Important Question in Today's World?" 31.08.2022 1:18:32
On this episode, we meet with legendary financial icon Kiril Sokoloff to take a bird's eye view of the global energy/financial situation. Why is the financial community so complacent about peak oil and the relationship between increasing energy scale and growth? Can we make predictions about the future by looking back at history? Kiril shares his professional experiences with scenario planning,...
The End Of Abundance | Frankly #6 30.08.2022 9:25
On this segment of Frankly, Nate opines on the significance of French President Macron's statement we are nearing the " end of an era of abundance '. Nate shares what this watershed moment in the global political narrative means for Europe, the U.S. and the world - as we rapidly become less "energy-blind". For Show Notes and Transcript visit: https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/frankly-original...
Kris De Decker: "Low Tech: What, Why and How" 24.08.2022 1:07:53
On this episode, we meet with inventor, researcher and author Kris De Decker to understand the concept of "low tech" and its relevance in a high tech society and growth-driven economy. How does low tech differ from high tech and what does it feel like to live a low tech lifestyle? Why do we assume high tech will always be the solution, and could low tech be a feasible path for a sustainable and f...
Timothée Parrique: "Degrowth: Slow is the New Cool" 17.08.2022 1:19:17
On this episode, we meet with social scientist and researcher at the School of Economics and Management of Lund University, Timothée Parrique. What is degrowth, and how will it help define our future? Parrique explains how the path to societal degrowth might unfold and the social and physical obstacles we may encounter on our way there. About Timothée Parrique: Timothée Parrique is a social scien...
Daniel Schmachtenberger: "Bend not Break #3: Sensemaking, Uncertainty, and Purpose" 10.08.2022 1:18:19
On this episode we meet with founding member of The Consilience Project, Daniel Schmachtenberger. In Part 3 of their series, Schmachtenberger and Hagens explore metanarratives. Why are they threatening to various sections of society? Further, Schmachtenberger helps us understand how we can take in the systemic metacrisis facing humanity in ways that grant us agency, rather than despair. About Dani...
Steve Keen: "Mythonomics" 03.08.2022 1:24:13
On this episode, we meet with Economist, Author, and Research Fellow at the Institute for Strategy, Resilience, and Security at University College in London, Steve Keen. Keen discusses how mainstream economics misses the centrality of energy to our economy and to our futures, the naive treatment to the risks of money and debt creation, and the disconnect economic theory has to climate change risks...
Josh Farley: "Money, Money, Money" 27.07.2022 1:20:19
Show Summary: On this episode we meet with ecological economist and Professor in Community Development & Applied Economics and Public Administration, Josh Farley. Money. What is it? Where does it come from? How is it created? How is it tethered to our biophysical balance sheet? What is on the horizon with our monetary system? How might we create and use money differently in the future during a sou...
FAQs from Episodes 1-25 of The Great Simplification | Frankly #5 23.07.2022 54:47
On this segment of Frankly, Nate's former student Lizzy curates and asks some of the most frequently asked questions sent in by listeners during The Great Simplification episodes 1-25. How should we be educating people on energy? What types of fossil alternatives are really feasible? Is a climate disaster the most pertinent and existential risk that we face? Nate gives his answers to these questio...
Joan Diamond: "From Kool-aid to Lemonade" 20.07.2022 1:22:09
On this episode we meet with Executive Director of Stanford University's Millennium Alliance for Humanity and the Biosphere, Joan Diamond. Diamond helps us imagine the future in an uncertain time. How can we create robust strategies to help us plan? How can we avoid thinking only of worst-case scenarios? Further, Diamond offers suggestions for how people can handle their hopelessness and rage foll...
Joe Tainter: "Surplus, Complexity, and Simplification" 13.07.2022 1:11:56
On this episode we meet with archaeologist, historian, and Professor at Utah State University, Joe Tainter. What are the key differences between complicated and complex? How can we better understand energy and society through these key distinctions? Tainter explains our current predicament based on decades of research and offers pathways for our collective future. About Joe Tainter Joe Tainter has...
Peter Whybrow: "When More is Not Enough" 06.07.2022 1:21:16
On this episode we meet with psychiatrist, neuroscientist, and author Peter Whybrow. Whybrow gives us an overview of why humans tend to consume excessively in resource-abundant societies. Why is it difficult for humans to change our ways? Additionally, Whybrow shares pathways for humans to move toward having a well-tuned brain. About Peter Whybrow: Peter C. Whybrow, M.D. is Director Emeritus of t...
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