The Gist

On The Gist, Trump is no George Washington. In the interview, Stephen Martin and Joseph Marks are here to discuss their new book Messengers: Who We Listen To, Who We Don't, and Why . They talk about why the expert isn't always the best vessel for information, the power dynamics involved, and why famous people often end up with that job. In the Spiel, the indirect language of Trump. Learn more abou...

On The Gist, Gordon Sondland testified before Congress. In the interview, Meghan Daum is here to talk with Mike Pesca about her new book The Problem with Everything: My Journey Through the New Culture Wars . They discuss toughness versus sensitivity, age differences, and how we should appreciate the confusion of this time more. In the Spiel, a dodeca-antentwig. Slate Plus members get bonus segment...

On The Gist, what does quid pro quo even mean? In the interview, Mike talks to Ash Carter about his time as the 25th Secretary of Defense, what he would have down if he were Jim Mattis, and what he thinks about Trump's military strategy in Syria. In the Spiel, Trump and Erdogan are back at it again. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWi...

On The Gist, the October CNN democratic debate. In the interview, Mike talks to director and executive producer Nicole Kassell about directing the Watchmen pilot, the show's many Easter eggs, and how they honor the real-life 1921 riot in Tulsa, Oklahoma. In the Spiel, why no one supports Trump's strategy with the Kurds. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by...

On The Gist, too many candidates? In the interview, Shea Serrano is back to talk with Mike about his newest book Movies (And Other Things) . They talk about Armageddon , why Booksmart will have such longevity and importance, and watching movies with your children. In the Spiel, George and Kellyanne Conway. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, a...

On The Gist, Trump's trade war with China. In the interview, Mike talks to writer Elaina Plott about her reporting on Rudy Giuliani , new White House counsel Pat Cipollone, and the future of the impeachment hearings. Plott is a staff writer at the Atlantic. Read her work here . In the Spiel, the CNN LGBTQ+ Equality Town Hall. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hos...

On The Gist, how should we feel about Ellen and George W. Bush? In the interview, Desmond Meade of the Florida Restorative Rights Coalition is here to talk with Mike about the recent movement in Florida to give voting rights back to individuals who have previous committed felonies. They talk about how quickly the measure passed, what regaining voting rights really means, and who is actually most a...

On The Gist, what Trump is doing to the Kurds is everybody's fault but Trump's. In the interview, Mike talks to Ozy's national politics reporter Nick Fouriezos about U.S. voter apathy, where its most prevalent, and its ramifications for future elections. You can read Fouriezos' piece, " Who Cares: Inside America's Apathy Belt ," in Ozy. In the Spiel, the fight between China and the NBA isn't compl...

On The Gist, Trump and the Kurds. In the interview, Mike talks to Aaron Mehta , deputy editor and senior Pentagon correspondent for Defense News . They talk about why Ukraine wants javelin missiles, the internal conflicts in the Pentagon, and China's rising military dominance. In the Spiel, the American sports media's reactions to Daryl Morey. Slate Plus members get bonus segments and ad-free podc...

On The Gist, Daryl Morey versus NBA China. In the interview, Comedy Bang Bang host Scott Aukerman is here to talk about Between Two Ferns: The Movie , the early beginnings of the Between Two Ferns show, and how he writes and directs great cringe comedy. You can watch the movie on Netflix . In the Spiel, the cost of too little or too much deference. Slate Plus members get bonus segments and ad-free...

On The Gist, dishonesty and the media. In the interview, Norbert Leo Butz is a Broadway powerhouse who's been in all sorts of projects like Wicked and Catch Me If You Can , but he's also a talented musician out with a new album, The Long Haul . He's here to talk with Mike about his new music, how he fit writing it into his life, and the business of Broadway. In the Spiel, is Donald Trump's preside...

On The Gist, getting pronunciations right and extremely wrong. In the interview, comedian Gary Gulman talks to Mike about his new HBO comedy special The Great Depresh , how he talks about mental health on stage, and the magic of vision boards. In the Spiel, the Ukraine saga. Slate Plus members get bonus segments and ad-free podcast feeds. Sign up now. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcas...

On The Gist, suing the swamp. In the interview, Marc Randolph is here to talk with Mike about the early beginnings of Netflix, his relationship with co-founder Reed Hastings, and what he's doing now post-Netflix. Randolph's new book is T hat Will Never Work: The Birth of Netflix and the Amazing Life of an Idea . In the Spiel, accusing somebody of treason might be a reason to impeach. Slate Plus me...

On The Gist, the Zuckerberg audio leaks. In the interview, Martha Minow is here to talk with Mike about forgiveness, who should be forgiven, and how to incorporate more forgiveness in the U.S. legal system. Minow's new book is When Should Law Forgive? In the Spiel, class resentment. Slate Plus members get bonus segments and ad-free podcast feeds. Sign up now. Learn more about your ad choices. Visi...

On The Gist, what's going on at Café Altura? In the interview, journalist Amanda Aronczyk is here to talk with Mike about her recent series for WNYC's The Stakes podcast, " A History of Persuasion ." Through the lens of Ted Kaczynski she explores the way behavioral psychology has been used to shape the way we think, and how the manipulation has only ramped up thanks to the tech industry. In the Sp...

On The Gist, Trump and Ukraine-gate? In the interview, journalist and author Mary Lane is here to talk with Mike about Hitler's art, how he seized "degenerate" art in Germany, and the people who finally recovered these lost works in 2013. Lane's new book is Hitler's Last Hostages: Looted Art and the Soul of the Third Reich . In the Spiel, the whistleblower complaint. Slate Plus members get bonus s...

On The Gist, MSNBC cutting Trump's speech short. In the interview, writer Katy Lederer is here to talk with Mike about Greta Thunberg, why she's such a force, and if she will bring about any change. Lederer's latest piece on Thunberg is " Can They Read ," in n+1. In the Spiel, whistleblowing and the Maguire hearing. Slate Plus members get bonus segments and ad-free podcast feeds. Sign up now. Lear...

On The Gist, the beginning of the Trump and Ukraine analysis. In the interview, CIA alum and head of Lawfare David Priess is here to talk with Mike about impeachment, the Ukraine phone call, and this time things are different. Priess' latest book is How to Get Rid of a President: History's Guide to Removing Unpopular, Unable, or Unfit Chief Executives . In the Spiel, Trump's press conference and m...

On The Gist, journalist Lauren Duca is here to talk with Mike about her new book, inspiring young people to get more involved in politics, how activism and journalism might intersect, and the problems with our binary political system. Duca's new book is How to Start a Revolution: Young People and the Future of Politics . In the Spiel, impeachment? Slate Plus members get bonus segments and ad-free...

On The Gist, the news we missed during Comedy Week. In the interview, Rachel Monroe is here to talk with Mike about why people, and women in particular, are so interested in true crime. Is it a new thing or just newly popular? Does being an at-home sleuth help in any way? Monroe's new book is Savage Appetites: Four Stories of Women, Crime, and Obsession . In the Spiel, Trump and the hostless Emmy...

On The Gist, late-night writers Steve Waltien, Bryan Tucker, and Alison Leiby sit down with Mike to discuss what it's like to write on a late-night show. How do they deal with the constant churn of topical humor? Why is it so difficult to continue laughing through Trump? And what is the Sean Penn test? Slate Plus members get bonus segments and ad-free podcast feeds. Sign up now. Learn more about y...

On The Gist, screenwriters Dana Fox and John August, and film critic K. Austin Collins are here to talk all about the comedy film. What makes a funny movie? how has that changed over the years? And has humor just creeped its way into all the other genres without us realizing? Slate Plus members get bonus segments and ad-free podcast feeds. Sign up now. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podca...

On The Gist, our third part of comedy week is all about comedy podcasts. Podcast hosts Jesse Thorn and Ron Funches join Mike to talk about the wide variety of comedy podcasts, how they both got started, and why they are such a freeing avenue for comedians. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for informat...

On The Gist, our second installment in this week of comedy focuses on the world of improv. Improvisers Amber Nash, TJ Jagodowski, and Zach Cherry join Mike to talk about what the improv scene is like in their respective cities, how the form has grown so quickly in the last 30 years, and why collaboration is such an exciting way to get a laugh. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices...

On The Gist, we're kicking off our week on the world of comedy by talking to three comedians about the state of stand-up comedy. Adam Ferrara, Aparna Nancherla, and Hari Kondabolu talk with Mike about the way they perform, how they interact with their audience and fans, and pushing boundaries in the art form. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast...