Alexander Seropian & Aaron Marroquin
The Fourth Curtain
A GUIDED TOUR OF VIDEOGAME MAKERY! Hosts Alex Seropian (founder Bungie, Wideload, Industrial Toys) and Aaron Marroquin (Art Director, Game Designer, part time magician) take you on a tour of the minds that create our favorite video games. We may also wander around in our own heads too. We aim to inspire, educate and entertain you about the games you love, the people that make them and hey, if you're not a gamer we know you know one. This will help you connect with them too.
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Alexander Seropian & Aaron Marroquin
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Jul 9, 2026
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Episodes
Tales from the Beginning with Josh Tsui 08.06.2023 1:20:26
Beginning with standup arcade machines, our guest Josh Tsui has helped create huge hit games like Mortal Kombat and Tony Hawk, and brought us the invaluable videogame documentary Insert Coin. Hear about the (good?) old days of gamedev, before engines, game designers or producers. Lessons in survival and success await! Support the show Thank you for listening to our podcast all about videogames and...
The Many Triumphs of Aaron Loeb 01.06.2023 1:22:52
From game journalism, to indie gamedev, to producing one massive hit after another, to award-winning off-Broadway theater, this week's guest Aaron Loeb has moved from one bravura success to another. Are there similarities between making games and making theater? How should executives treat monkeys? Listen and find out! Support the show Thank you for listening to our podcast all about videogam...
George Fan, I'm your biggest Fan! 25.05.2023 1:28:57
Brains! This week's guest is the creator of Octogeddon, the upcoming Hardhat Wombat, and the absolute masterpeice Plants Vs Zombies. We talk his design process, the perils of AI and get more than a bit scatological. Alex blows his mind with a surprising detail about Crazy Dave. Listen up! GDC Tutorials: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbzhHSexzpY Tristan Harris and Aza Raskin AI: https://www....
Randy Pitchford's Gaming Magic 18.05.2023 1:33:00
This week's guest is the Duke of the Borderlands himself, Randy Pitchford. Founder of Gearbox, savior of Duke Nukem, owner of the Magic Castle and storyteller extraordinaire. We talk hackers and spooks, gamedev in the 90's and a whole lotta magic. Surprises await! Support the show Thank you for listening to our podcast all about videogames and the amazing people who bring them to life! H...
Max Hoberman's Pirate Mission! 11.05.2023 1:12:08
We sit down for a chat with Max Hoberman founder of Certain Affinity and early Bungie employee. Max has been involved with Halo since the beginning and has had a hand in many of the industry's biggest FPS games. His company Certain Affinity is one of the largest independent developers and has been around for over 15 years without ever experiencing a layoff! That certainly got our attention ;)...
Oh Snap! With Second Dinner 04.05.2023 1:18:33
The Fourth Curtain welcomes Hamilton and Ben, the founders of Second Dinner and makers of Marvel Snap on the podcast. So much energy in here - talking about first jobs in the biz, the history of Hearthstone and how Second Dinner came to be. We also discuss naming, game design, test Ben on how deep his Marvel knowledge goes (spoiler goes deep) and bring out some of our favorite URLs registered over...
Bill Roper is Infinity Plus One 27.04.2023 1:17:55
On this episode of The Fourth Curtain, Alex and Aaron have long time pal and game maker Bill Roper on the program talking about the early days of Blizzard, his love of music, building HellGate London and the joyride that was Disney Interactive. We get a peek at some of the special items in Bill's collection and he may even do a voice or two! Bill Roper arrives at: 10:00 Alex mentions a "...
Marty O'Donnell Goes Total Audio 20.04.2023 1:28:40
In this week's episode Alex & Aaron get a chance to catch up with long time friend and composer Marty O'Donnell. We talk about video game music and how production value in games has gotten so, so good. Marty explains how the unique Halo theme came to be and we hear how Marty used the classic Bagels and Cream Cheese maneuver to convince Sir Paul McCartney to make a move into video gam...
It's Patrick Curry's [Guilty] Party 13.04.2023 1:32:00
Join Alex and Aaron for a conversation with Patrick Curry, designer on Stubbs The Zombie, John Woo’s Stranglehold and game director of Disney’s Guilty Party and founder of four studios! We find out how Patrick worked on both (and only) licensed Halo engine games, naming a game studio, finding a moral compass when it comes to handling violence in games and the future of VR. Support the show Thank y...
Chris Taylor's Total Siege! 13.04.2023 1:26:48
Alex and Aaron hang with Dungeon Siege and Total Annihilation creator Chris Taylor . We talk games as film, the challenges and benefits of work from home, Chris’s never ending energy and positive attitude and how he escaped a near death experience alongside Tetris legend Henk Rogers! Plus many insider stories! Support the show Thank you for listening to our podcast all about videogames and the ama...
EP0 - Take a Peek Behind the Fourth Curtain! 24.03.2023 11:09
In this brief first episode, hosts Alex Seropian and Aaron Marroquin introduce you to The Fourth Curtain: a new podcast featuring conversations with the developers of amazing video games. Support the show Thank you for listening to our podcast all about videogames and the amazing people who bring them to life! Hosted by Alexander Seropian and Aaron Marroquin Find us at www.thefourthcurtain.com Jo...
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