Alexander Seropian & Aaron Marroquin
The Fourth Curtain
A GUIDED TOUR OF VIDEOGAME MAKERY! Hosts Alex Seropian (founder Bungie, Wideload, Industrial Toys) and Aaron Marroquin (Art Director, Game Designer, part time magician) take you on a tour of the minds that create our favorite video games. We may also wander around in our own heads too. We aim to inspire, educate and entertain you about the games you love, the people that make them and hey, if you're not a gamer we know you know one. This will help you connect with them too.
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Alexander Seropian & Aaron Marroquin
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Jul 9, 2026
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Episodes
The Blinding Flame of Red Dead's Christian Cantamessa 01.05.2025 1:21:15
Our guest Christian Cantamessa began in point and click adventures before becoming lead designer and writer for Red Dead Redemption . Now CEO of Day 4 Night Studios Inc., he is also the writer and director of the film, Air . We discuss concern about GTA III , embracing the game and telling stories in games - this week! [00:00:00] – From Donald Duck to GTA III: Career Whiplash Christian recalls the...
Command and Conquer's Louis Castle's Triple Threat 24.04.2025 1:08:39
Our guest Louis Castle helped invent real-time strategy games with Command and Conquer and has a BAFTA for Boom Blox . Now leading Childlike Wonder Games, we discuss casino ethics, switching to real-time and building toys - this week! Top 8 Highlights [00:00:00] – Lifelong Learning: The Key to Game Design Success Louis Castle opens the episode by emphasizing the importance of constant learning as...
Tencent's Amir Satvat Flexes the Data Muscle for Good 17.04.2025 1:14:20
Our guest Amir Satvat wants to get you a job in games. A business development executive at Tencent, he won the Game Changer award for the incredible community he built which has helped over 3k gamedevs find their next role with mentorship, mock interviews and more. We discuss "the troubles" and hopes for the future - this week! You can find Amir's website and community here: https:...
Outer Wilds' Alex Beachum's Cool Weird Emotional Prototypes 10.04.2025 1:12:11
Our guest Alex Beachum turned his thesis project into the mind-bending smash Outer Wilds . Inspired by greats such as Zelda and Antichamber , it blazed new ground by having a nonviolent (though definitely mortal) player. We discuss emotional prototypes, four distinct mysteries and the IGF - this week! Highlights [00:00:30] Emotional Prototyping: Designing with Feeling Alex Beachum discusses the id...
The Maestro of Modding Sandi Montaño 03.04.2025 57:53
In this inspiring episode of The Fourth Curtain , we sit down with Sandi Montaño , a self-taught modding phenom who went from stay-at-home dad to one of the most downloaded indie creators in the gaming world. With over 31 million downloads of his content for games like ARK: Survival Ascended and Hogwarts Legacy , Sandi proves you don’t need a degree—or even a formal background in game development—...
Exploding Kittens' Elan Lee Stacks the Deck 27.03.2025 1:12:28
Our guest is Exploding Kitten's Elan Lee. Starting with animating breath for the film Titanic, he went on to create the world's first alternate reality game, The Beast, at Microsoft. Later he gamified Nine Inch Nails and voter registration and went on to launch the most successful Kickstarter ever for Exploding Kittens, redefining family game night. This episode features great stories an...
Journey's Jenova Chen and the Art of the Positive Game 20.03.2025 1:16:39
This week's guest is Jenova Chen, creator of Journey , Sky: Children of the Light and other games. A BAFTA winner, he has strong opinions about morality in games and the value of positivity. We discuss the unique way he starts games, GDC's value and being the opposite of GTA - this week! [00:00:00] Music as the Highest Resolution Emotional Medium Jenova Chen explains why he believes musi...
Alex Irvine's Storytelling Secrets from Marvel Rivals and Beyond! 13.03.2025 1:10:52
Dive into the compelling world of storytelling with acclaimed author Alex Irvine, known for his immersive contributions to Marvel games, graphic novels, and groundbreaking Alternate Reality Games (ARGs) like I Love Bees . In this episode, Alex shares his insights on creativity, the delicate balance between talent, persistence, and luck, and the intricate art of narrative design across various medi...
Hope for the Future with Halo's Joe Staten 06.03.2025 1:22:53
This week's guest is Halo and Destiny's Joe Staten. Beginning as a farmhand, he went on to lead teams in the Halo franchise, be on the core team for Destiny, write a NYT bestselling novel and work with the great Peter Jackson. Now looking for his next role, we discuss how Bungie was like a family business, the most important mysteries and creativity and risk - this week! Episode Highligh...
Games Workshop's Ian Livingstone, Fantasy Knight in Real Life 27.02.2025 1:26:44
This week's guest is a founder of Games Workshop, publisher of White Dwarf magazine, creator of the Fighting Fantasy Books and Executive Chair of Eidos Interactive Sir Ian Livingstone. This Knight of the British Empire started a business while living in a van, prevailed through a Satanic panic about his Fighting books, saw the promise of a certain Tomb Raider and birthed a mass media entertai...
Best of 2024 20.02.2025 1:44:49
In this week's episode we recap some of the best moments from Season 2, with John Romero on hits and misses, how Peter Molyneux makes a game, Ed Fries on Xbox's Valentines Day massacre, Warren Spector on how playstyle is everything and much more! 🎮 The Fourth Curtain – S2 Best Of Highlights [00:00:00] – Season 2 Recap & Patreon Launch 🎉 Alex and Aaron reflect on Season 2, announce...
Ed Boon Gets into the Nitty-Gritty Metal 24.10.2024 1:11:16
Welcome to the Season Two finale episode! And it's a Monster!!!! (Never fear, we will be back in a couple of weeks with some special episodes to bridge the gap to Season Three!) This week's guest is Ed Boon, co-creator of Mortal Kombat and Injustice and Chief Creative Officer of Mortal Kombat and NetherRealm Studios! Starting in the world of pinball, he moved onto arcade games at the leg...
From Pong to Deconstructor: Mishka Katkoff’s Global Gaming Journey 17.10.2024 1:11:59
Ok, we know this episode should be called Something Fun on the Toilet with MK, but we're chose to keep it classy. Our guest this week is Michail Katkoff, a veteran of Zynga, Supercell, and Rovio, partner in Play Ventures, and founder of Deconstructor of Fun. In all of these different roles he's developed a unique understanding of our industry from different perspectives. We discuss prod...
Things Blow Up with Mike Pondsmith 10.10.2024 1:27:41
In this episode of The Fourth Curtain , legendary game designer Mike Pondsmith joins hosts Alex and Aaron for an in-depth conversation about his expansive career, from creating the tabletop RPG Cyberpunk to collaborating with CD Projekt Red on Cyberpunk 2077 . Mike discusses his early days in game development, the creation of Night City , and the challenges of translating tabletop concepts into vi...
The Business Romance of Mihai Pohontu 03.10.2024 1:25:08
This week on The Fourth Curtain , we’re joined by Mihai Pohontu, CEO and Chairman of Amber Studio, a distinguished figure in the gaming industry. Mihai, who was recently named Romanian Entrepreneur of the Year, shares his fascinating journey from the upheaval of post-revolution Romania to becoming a leader in global game development. A self-described business romantic , Mihai offers insightful per...
Warren Spector Gets the Keys to the Kingdom 26.09.2024 1:29:23
Our guest Warren Spector is the creative producer behind vastly influential games like Ultima Underworld, System Shock, Deus Ex and many others. Now working on (working title) Argos, he joins us to talk about the birth of the immersive sim, having amazing mentors and ways to start a game, this week! The conversation dives deep into Warren's career, discussing his design philosophy around play...
Ed Fries Races The Beam 19.09.2024 1:33:43
In this episode of The Fourth Curtain , Alex and Aaron sit down with Ed Fries, a pivotal figure in the gaming industry and former VP at Microsoft, where he helped launch the Xbox. Ed shares stories from his early days at Microsoft, including how he made the leap from working on Office products to heading up the game division. He dives into the creation of the original Xbox, the challenges the team...
Frank Gibeau's Silver Bullets for Game Development 12.09.2024 1:13:38
Join Alex Seropian (founder of Bungie) and Aaron Marroquin as they dive into the incredible minds behind the video game industry in The Fourth Curtain . In this episode, they chat with Frank Gibeau, the CEO of Zynga, who takes listeners on a journey through one of the most legendary corporate turnarounds in gaming history. From his early days at EA to leading Zynga through a $12.7 billion acquisit...
Jordan Weisman Makes Stuff Up 05.09.2024 1:18:02
Our guest this week is the legend Jordan Weisman. Creator of BattleTech, Crimson Skies and the world's first alternate reality game, he's now working on Adventure Forge, a platform to help non-engineers make videogames. We talk buying D&D from Gary Gygax, at Gary's house!, the secret to entrepreneurship and creating the "Bungie bubble" this week! [00:07:00] Interview I...
Harvey Smith Knows the Secret to Magical Games 29.08.2024 1:28:27
Our guest this week is the co-creative director of Arkane Studios, Harvey Smith. Starting out in QA for System Shock and other games, he went on to be lead designer for Deus Ex and ultimately made Dishonored at Arkane. We talk meeting your heroes, recombining systems and the secret to making a magical game this week! [00:00:00] - Harvey Smith discusses his first encounter with a game that sparked...
Behind the Headlines: Dean Takahashi’s Journey Through Gaming’s Biggest Stories 22.08.2024 1:02:10
In this exciting episode of The Fourth Curtain , hosts Alexander Seropian and Aaron Marroquin dive deep into the world of gaming journalism with none other than Dean Takahashi, the lead writer of GamesBeat at VentureBeat. With over three decades of experience covering tech and gaming, Dean shares his unique insights on the evolving landscape of the gaming industry, the challenges of maintaining jo...
Rod Fergusson Shakes The Jello 15.08.2024 1:20:26
This week's guest is a well-known "closer" who has steered the ship for some of the biggest games ever. Beginning with Train Simulator, he went on to serve as Producer for Counter-Strike Xbox, Gears of War, Infinity Blade, BioShock Infinite. Now helming Diablo at Blizzard, he talks triage, teamwork and not shaking the jello - this week! Support the show Thank you for listening to ou...
Inside CD Projekt RED: Michal Nowakowski on The Witcher, Cyberpunk, and Gaming's Future 08.08.2024 1:17:04
Our guest this week is Michal Nowakowski the co-CEO of CD Projekt Red, the renowned studio behind iconic games like The Witcher and Cyberpunk 2077. With nearly two decades at CD Projekt, Michal shares his journey from the early days of video game distribution in Poland to leading one of the world's most celebrated game development companies. Beginning as a game distributor, CD Projekt went on...
Brian Reynolds Surrounds the Fun Part 2 01.08.2024 1:21:31
Our conversation with the gamedev legend Brian Reynolds continues as we dive into the true meaning of 4X, the Train Reynolds business model, NPC insults and the research secrets of this podcast - this week! Support the show Thank you for listening to our podcast all about videogames and the amazing people who bring them to life! Hosted by Alexander Seropian and Aaron Marroquin Find us at www.thefo...
Brian Reynolds Surrounds the Fun Part 1 25.07.2024 1:24:28
Our guest Brian Reynolds has a story so nice we had to hear it twice! In Part 1 we hear about coding at Radioshack, mentorship with Sid Meier and making Civilization 2 basically by himself. A great conversation with a legend to resume Season 2 of The Fourth Curtain! Support the show Thank you for listening to our podcast all about videogames and the amazing people who bring them to life! Hosted by...
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