Lewis Ames and Wem Southerden

The Forest School Podcast

Wem Southerden & Lewis Ames have run Forest School and training centre Children of the Forest since 2017. The Forest School Podcast was born when they wondered if their daily wafflechats and reflections about pedagogy, play and nature connection might be of interest to others. The podcast aims to inform and support educators, parents, outdoor and play practitioners and anyone interested in nature and the outdoors. Through book reviews – interviews with experts, practitioners and authors – sharing our experience as educators and business owners – deep dives on fascinating topics –

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Lewis Ames and Wem Southerden

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Education

Latest episode

Jun 11, 2026

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Episodes

Ep 26 - Play is Stressful! 15.03.2019

In this lively, thought-provoking episode, Lewis and Gemma shelter from stormy March winds in the cabin and introduce a deceptively simple yet powerful theme: “Stressful Messy Play” (or “playing at work”). Beginning with a fun fact about why March is the windiest month and an explanation of ancient woodland anemones (aka windflowers), they dive into how play that looks serious, high-stakes or even...

Ep 25 - Richard Irvine Interview 01.03.2019

In this engaging, wide-ranging episode, Lewis and Gemma sit down with forest-craft expert Richard Irvine to unpack the journey of turning hands-on craft skills into a beautifully photographed, foolproof step-by-step book. They dig into the challenges of writing clear instructions without in-person coaching, the value of a pared-back tool kit (just a pruning saw, whittling knife, awl and tent peg!)...

Ep 24 - Home Education Groups - Tips and Tricks! 23.02.2019

What does Forest School look like when it’s woven into the fabric of a home educating life? In this full and playful episode, Lewis and Gemma reflect on years of working with home educated families in Forest School settings. They discuss the key differences between children who’ve always been home educated and those who’ve left mainstream school, share advice for starting a home ed Forest School g...

Ep 23 - Book Review: "Evolutionary Playworking" 25.01.2019

In this deep-dive episode, Lewis and Gemma explore Evolutionary Playwork and Reflective Analytic Practice by Bob Hughes — a seminal but notoriously dense book that challenges how we think about play, education, and the evolution of humanity itself. Together, they unpack the book’s provocative ideas: the role of play in human development, the power of truly adult-free play spaces, the tension betwe...

Ep 22 - Planning 18.01.2019

In this episode, Lewis and Gemma dive deep into the layered reality of planning in Forest School. From laminated resources to spontaneous spoon carving, they discuss the contrast between top-down educational planning and the responsive, cyclical, seasonal approach required in outdoor settings. With honesty and humour, they unpack what planning actually looks like when you’re working in tune with t...

Ep 21 - Setting Goals! 11.01.2019

In this reflective and surprisingly passionate episode, Lewis and Gemma kick off the new year by unpacking what it means to set goals for yourself, your Forest School, and the children in your care. They explore their chosen theme for the year— Nature Connection —and the thinking behind it. What does it look like to move beyond "just being outside" and intentionally build stillness, pres...

Ep 20 - 2018 Review! 28.12.2018

In this special reflective episode, Lewis and Gemma take a rambling, funny, and deeply human walk through the entire Forest School year of 2018. Using their camera roll as a guide, they recall the highs, lows, and everything in between—from frozen tree pickups in January to emotional moments with their own children in the woods. Expect stories about chaotic community Christmas tree collections, ch...

Ep 19 - 'Non-Violent Communication' Book Review 21.12.2018

In this episode, Lewis and Gemma dive into Marshall Rosenberg’s groundbreaking book Nonviolent Communication: A Language of Life . They unpack how this deceptively simple framework has the potential to transform relationships, especially in Forest School and parenting settings. They reflect on Rosenberg’s most dramatic examples (including one involving a would-be mugger), why storytelling our need...

Ep 18 - Feminism and Gender Roles in Storytelling! 14.12.2018

In this powerful and thought-provoking episode, Lewis and Gemma take on a theme that’s often brushed aside in children’s education: gender and feminism in storytelling . Huddled in sub-zero temperatures, they explore how the stories we tell—especially fairy tales, myths, and folk tales—are shaped by the historical dominance of male perspectives and how that influences children’s perceptions of pow...

Ep 17 - It Doesn't Have to be Perfect! 07.12.2018

In this calm, conversational episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma take shelter from the wind and explore the deceptively simple theme: "It Doesn’t Have to Be Perfect." From last-minute changes and forgotten kit to messy sessions and emotional curveballs, they unpack what ‘perfection’ really means in the world of outdoor education. This wide-ranging episode discusses plan...

Ep 16 - Practitioner Burnout!! 30.11.2018

In this brutally honest and often hilarious episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma brave torrential storms to dive deep into one of the most unspoken realities of outdoor education: burnout and fatigue . As Forest School leaders themselves, they share the emotional and physical toll of holding space in the winter months—when the woods feel like they're hibernating, children are...

Ep 15 - Mixed Age Groups! 16.11.2018

In this rich, relatable episode, Lewis and Gemma explore the unique benefits and dynamics of mixed age play in Forest School settings. Drawing from their experiences running toddler groups, family sessions, and holiday events, they discuss how mixed ages—from newborns to 12-year-olds—create powerful opportunities for emotional growth, leadership, empathy, and inclusive community building. The conv...

Ep 14 - Pulling the legs off a spider 09.11.2018

In this provocative and thoughtful episode, Lewis and Gemma grapple with one of the thorniest questions in Forest School practice: how do we respond when children harm insects or animals during play? Is it ever appropriate to allow a child to pull the legs off a spider in the name of learning? Where do we draw lines between empathy, mastery, morality, and real-world contradictions—like leather sho...

Ep 13 - Cooking 02.11.2018

In this warm, hilarious, and thoughtful episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma dive into cooking at Forest School —why it matters, how it works, and what it reveals about play, connection, and community. They share practical experiences with wood-fired pizzas, vegan cakes, Dutch oven disasters, and collaborative apple pancakes, all cooked outdoors with children and families. The con...

Ep 12 - FSA South West Gathering! 21.10.2018

In this rich and heartwarming group conversation, recorded around a campfire at the Southwest Forest School gathering, Lewis is joined by Megan Adams, Judy Simpson, and K.W. from Holly and Hawthorn. Together they explore what success really means in a Forest School setting—beyond tick-box outcomes or academic regurgitation. This roundtable shares powerful personal stories of transformation, belong...

Ep 11 - Training 14.10.2018

In this deep and often humorous episode, Lewis is joined by a fellow Forest School leader to explore the messy, contradictory, and powerful experience of Forest School training . They compare two very different Level 3 journeys — one recent, one several years ago — and unpack what makes a good trainer, what participants should leave with, and how training formats shape mindset and confidence. The...

Ep 10 - Storytelling 29.09.2018

In this reflective episode recorded straight after a storytelling retreat with Chris Holland, Lewis and Gemma unpack the emotional and practical impact of storytelling in Forest School settings. From the improvisational freedom of the retreat to the deep ancient roots of oral storytelling, they explore why it’s such a potent tool for play, community, and child development. They discuss the power o...

Ep 9 - Rhythms and Routines 14.09.2018

After a long break (and a lost episode to static), Lewis and Gemma return with a rich conversation about rhythm, routine, and structure in Forest School. This episode explores how routines form naturally through repetition, not enforcement, and how children gradually build confidence and independence through a session’s rhythm. They discuss seasonal influences on focus and flow, the importance of...

Ep 8 - Observations and Endings 27.07.2018

In this gentle and reflective episode of The Forest School Podcast , Lewis and Gemma sit under the dripping trees after a summer rain to share honest thoughts about the end of term. They discuss the quiet magic of observing children as they become increasingly self-sufficient, the emotional tension of goodbyes, and how children shape their own celebrations through ritual and play. You’ll hear refl...

Ep 7 - Flora at Forest School 20.07.2018

In this rich, folklore-filled episode of The Forest School Podcast , Lewis and Gemma take a joyful ramble through their favourite plants and trees used in Forest School. Grouped loosely into three themes—cooking, craft, and ethos—they explore not only the practical uses of flora like elder, nettles, wild garlic, and birch, but also the deep-rooted cultural, mythological, and emotional significance...

Ep 6 - War Play 13.07.2018

In this bold and thoughtful episode of The Forest School Podcast , Lewis and Gemma explore one of the most controversial topics in early years education: war play, fighting, and weapons in Forest School . From stick swords to imaginary AK-47s, they dive deep into why this kind of play emerges, how it can be supported ethically, and why banning it outright may actually hinder emotional development....

Ep 5 - Physical Games 08.07.2018

In this energised and laughter-filled episode of The Forest School Podcast , Lewis and Gemma dive deep into the world of structured games in Forest School settings. They explore how games like 123 Where Are You? , Hunters and Rabbits , and Mr Crocodile offer more than entertainment—they build community, provide scaffolding for social interaction, and even offer a pathway into mindfulness and emoti...

Ep 4: Long Term Benefits 29.06.2018

In this deep-dive episode of The Forest School Podcast , Lewis and Gemma unpack the real benefits of long-term Forest School sessions—beyond the standard “you see the seasons change.” They explore how long-term provision enables genuine, trust-based relationships with children, parents, and the land. From greater behavioural stability and reduced coercion to the freedom for both children and pract...

Ep 3 - Music at Forest School 22.06.2018

In this beautifully rich episode of The Forest School Podcast , Lewis and Gemma explore the many ways that music weaves into their outdoor practice. They reflect on how music supports community connection, rhythm, emotional regulation, and transition, particularly in toddler sessions and multi-age groups. From spontaneous humming during woodland walks to planned songs that children shape through t...

Ep 2 - Talking to ourselves in the past! 08.06.2018

In this reflective and candid episode of The Forest School Podcast , Lewis and Gemma revisit the early days of their Forest School journey, asking: “What would we tell ourselves at the beginning?” From the stress of over-planning to the pressure of doing everything “right,” they explore the common mistakes and learning curves that new leaders face. They speak openly about trusting the environment,...

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