Thomas B. Fordham Institute

The Education Gadfly Show

For more than 15 years, the Fordham Institute has been hosting a weekly podcast, The Education Gadfly Show. Each week, you’ll get lively, entertaining discussions of recent education news, usually featuring Fordham’s Mike Petrilli and David Griffith. Then the wise Amber Northern will recap a recent research study. For questions or comments on the podcast, contact its producer, Stephanie Distler, at sdistler@fordhaminstitute.org.

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Thomas B. Fordham Institute

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Education

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fordhaminstitute.org

Latest episode

Jul 8, 2026

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Episodes

Emily Oster and Noelle Ellerson Ng answer the big question: Will schools reopen this spring? - 12/16/20 16.12.2020

On this week’s podcast, Noelle Ellerson Ng, associate executive director at AASA, the School Superintendents Association, and Emily Oster, Professor of Economics at Brown University, join Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss whether the vaccines will allow schools to reopen nationwide this school year. On the Research Minute, Matthew Steinberg discusses the study he and Haisheng Yang just c...

Assessing Joe Biden’s early childhood plans - 12/09/20 09.12.2020

On this week’s podcast, Katharine Stevens, visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss President-elect Biden’s childcare and pre-K plans. On the Research Minute, Adam Tyner examines how college instructors’ attractiveness affect their student evaluations.

The legacy of Lamar Alexander - 12/02/20 02.12.2020

On this week’s podcast, Mike Petrilli and David Griffith are joined by Checker Finn, who discusses Senator Lamar Alexander’s K–12 education legacy. On the Research Minute, Adam Tyner examines research on why efforts to boost student motivation may be misguided.

State budget cuts and our schools - 11/18/20 18.11.2020

On this week’s podcast, ExcelinEd’s Matthew Joseph and The Education Trust’s Zahava Stadler join Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss how states can protect schools and disadvantaged students from budget cuts. On the Research Minute, Victoria McDougald examines the effects of absenteeism on cognitive and social-emotional outcomes.

Why public education may never return to normal - 11/11/20 11.11.2020

On this week’s podcast, Paul Hill, founder of the Center on Reinventing Public Education, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss why, thanks to the pandemic, the politics of public schools will never be the same. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines the benefits of out-of-school services for disadvantaged students.

What the election means for education reform - 11/5/20 06.11.2020

On this week’s podcast, Charles Barone, VP of K-12 Policy at Democrats for Education Reform, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss what the election means for charter schools, accountability, and other reform issues. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines whether students with disabilities are relegated to classrooms with lower-quality teachers.

Coping with the costs of declining enrollments - 10/28/20 28.10.2020

On this week’s podcast, Karen Hawley Miles, CEO and president of Education Resource Strategies, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss her chapter in  Getting the Most Bang for the Education Buck  on how school districts can cope with budgetary consequences of declining enrollments—a growing problem because of Covid-19. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines the academic effect...

The loathsome war on exam schools - 10/21/20 21.10.2020

On this week’s podcast, Fordham’s Checker Finn joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss the growing, misguided war on selective-admissions high schools. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines how community college credentials affect graduates over time.

Lemov and Woolway on teaching like a champion—online - 10/14/20 14.10.2020

On this week’s podcast, Mike Petrilli and David Griffith are joined by Doug Lemov and Erica Woolway, co-managing director and chief academic officer, respectively, of the Teach Like a Champion team at Uncommon Schools. They talk about their timely new book, "Teaching in the Online Classroom: Surviving and Thriving in the New Normal." On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines a new...

Reading comprehension is not a skill, and other lessons from Fordham’s latest study - 10/07/20 07.10.2020

On this week’s podcast, Fordham’s Adam Tyner joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss the new study that he coauthored, “Social Studies Instruction and Reading Comprehension: Evidence from the Early Childhood Longitudinal Study.” On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines the effects of merit aid for low-income college students.

How to open a school safely during a pandemic - 09/30/20 30.09.2020

On this week’s podcast, Aaron Daly, COO of Brooklyn Laboratory Charter Schools, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss the network’s innovative reopening recommendations. On the Research Minute, Adam Tyner examines the long-term ramifications of the Covid-19 crisis.

How the pandemic could lead to smarter school spending - 09/23/20 23.09.2020

On this week’s podcast, Brandon Wright joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss his and Rick Hess’s new edited volume,  Getting the Most Bang for the Education Buck . On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines whether community crime monitoring can improve student attendance.

How did those online summer camps go? - 09/16/20 16.09.2020

On this week’s podcast, Timothy Daly, co-founder and CEO of EdNavigator, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss Camp Kinda, a free online summer resource that was designed to keep students engaged and curious while they were stuck at home. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines the different effects Republican and Democratic legislatures have on education finance and outcomes.

Two years after Janus, why are teachers unions stronger than ever? - 09/09/20 09.09.2020

On this week’s podcast, Colin Sharkey, executive director of the Association of American Educators, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss the state of teachers unions two years after  Janus v. AFSCME , the Supreme Court case that prevents unions from charging agency fees to non-members. On the Research Minute, Olivia Piontek examines how well elementary school test scores predict high...

The politics of school reopenings - 09/02/20 02.09.2020

On this week’s podcast, Robin Lake, director of the Center on Reinventing Public Education, joins Mike Petrilli to discuss why politics seems to be a bigger factor in some school reopening decisions than science. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines how school finance reforms and test-based accountability have affected student outcomes.

How America’s best charter schools crushed the Covid-19 challenge - 08/26/20 26.08.2020

On this week’s podcast, Gregg Vanourek joins Mike Petrilli to discuss Fordham’s new report that Gregg authored, Schooling Covid-19: Lessons from leading charter networks from their transition to remote learning . On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines the firmly established benefits of acceleration for gifted children.

On Biden’s education platform - 08/19/20 19.08.2020

On this week’s podcast, Tressa Pankovits, associate director of Reinventing America's Schools at the Progressive Policy Institute, joins Mike Petrilli and Olivia Piontek to discuss education platforms in the presidential election campaign. On the Research Minute, Olivia Piontek examines efforts to improve low-performing schools in the U.S.

What about outdoor classes this fall? - 08/12/20 12.08.2020

On this week’s podcast, Erin Einhorn, a national reporter for NBC News , joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to talk about her recent piece on outdoor classrooms. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines how online classes have affected high schools’ curricular options.

Another reason for more school autonomy - 8/5/20 05.08.2020

On this week’s podcast, David Osborne, director of the Reinventing America’s Schools Project at the Progressive Policy Institute, joins Checker Finn and David Griffith to talk about how schools can be given autonomy to adapt to students’ varying needs and to external events. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines whether standardized test feedback to parents can boost students’ math outco...

Should districts outsource virtual learning? - 07/29/20 29.07.2020

On this week’s podcast, Rob Kremer, director of government relations at Pearson, owner of Connections Academy, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss whether school districts should be trying to build online schools on their own or should outsource the role to companies like his. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines how charter school growth has affected local teacher quality...

NAEP’s flawed reading revamp - 07/22/20 22.07.2020

On this week’s podcast, Checker Finn and David Griffith discuss the flawed effort to revamp NAEP’s reading framework. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern and David Griffith examine how inequality has affected families’ engagement with online learning during the pandemic.

What the coronavirus resurgence means for reopening schools - 07/15/20 15.07.2020

On this week’s podcast, Mike Petrilli and David Griffith discuss whether and how schools should reopen in the fall. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines whether the least educated population groups experienced the worst mortality trends during the 21st century.

Why fall testing could do more harm than good - 07/08/20 08.07.2020

On this week’s podcast, Mora Segal, CEO of Achievement Network, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss the organization’s latest guidance on assessments for states and districts when school resumes in the fall. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines how the Covid-19 pandemic has affected college students’ graduation, job offers, and future economic expectations.

How assessment data can drive instruction this fall - 07/01/20 01.07.2020

On this week’s podcast, Mike Petrilli, Amber Northern, Tran Le, and David Griffith discuss Fordham’s new case study on data-driven instruction in Washington, D.C. On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines little interruptions’ big effect on classroom learning.

The case for good schools as a state constitutional right - 06/24/20 24.06.2020

On this week’s podcast, Nina Rees, President and CEO of the National Alliance for Public Charter Schools, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith to discuss her new AEI paper, “A constitutional right to a high-quality public education.” On the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines the effect of virtual classes on high schoolers’ access to advanced courses.

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