Kerry and Becky Holton

The Church Things Podcast

Religion EN ↓ 224 episodes

We're Kerry and Becky Holton, a husband and wife ministry team who advocate for the wellness of the church, its leaders, and its future.  On this podcast, we simply share with you the things we're thinking on.  The goal?  To help us all continue to grow in the areas of life, spirituality, theology, church and mental health.  Join us each week, as we write about church wellness in the Growing Steady Newsletter and expand on those conversations in this podcast.  Keep growing, friends!

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Kerry and Becky Holton

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Jun 24, 2026

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#98: What Is the Role of Overseers? 28.11.2021

In part three of our series on the role of elders, Becky and Kerry discuss their work as overseers, or bishops.   After briefly mentioning some of the relevant New Testament passages on the subject, they turn to what "exercising the oversight" means in practical terms.

#97: What Is the Role of Shepherds? 14.11.2021

In last week's episode Kerry and Becky discussed the role of elders.  In this week's podcast they discuss the elders' role as shepherds.  After looking at Psalm 23, Ezekiel 34, Ephesians 4, John 10, and other passages in the Bible, they identify three functions of biblical shepherds.  No doubt, to shepherd God's people is a tough assignment!  But, it's God's will that...

#96: What Is the Role of Elders? 07.11.2021

After a brief glimpse into the backstory of New Testament elders, Kerry and Becky examine the practice of appointing elders for every church in the first century and take a quick look at what those elders did for those churches.  Elders who are trying to imitate the elders of the New Testament churches will find this podcast to be informative and thought-provoking.  This podcast only highlights th...

#95: What Should Be Measured When Assessing Church Health and Growth? 31.10.2021

Church leaders often track attendance, giving, and baptisms, but what are they doing to track other important metrics of their church's health and growth?  In this episode, Kerry and Becky discuss the importance of tracking metrics in five phases of spiritual growth.  Also, they offer suggestions on what may be measured in those five phases.  For example, they talk about how one might measure...

#94: Why Track Church Health and Growth? 24.10.2021

How important is it for church leaders to track or try to measure such things as individual spiritual growth, church health, and church growth?  What is the rationale for doing so?  In this episode, Becky and Kerry discuss six reasons for tracking church health and growth.  Feel free to join the discussion!  Your feedback is always appreciated!

#93: Helping Guests Engage Beyond the Sunday Assembly (Part Two) 16.10.2021

Kerry and Becky identify three levels of guest engagement--a church's pre-guest strategy, welcoming first-time guests, and encouraging returning guests to take a step toward community--and "the win" for each level.  Then, they identify and discuss a simple strategy for engaging guests to take a next step in their journey toward Christ.  Please join the discussion in Part Two of the...

#92: Helping Guests Engage Beyond the Sunday Assembly (Part One) 11.10.2021

In this episode, Kerry and Becky discuss three levels for engaging guests to the Sunday assembly.  Then, they identify and discuss three barriers to such engagement.  What can church leaders do--and what should they not do--to encourage guests to go beyond just sitting in a pew on Sunday?  Tune in for Part One of this discussion!

#91: Pastor the Local Community 03.10.2021

Highly-effective churches have influence in their communities.  They are like salt and light, like "a city set on a hill."  In this episode, Kerry and Becky discuss three strategies used by best-practice churches to "pastor their local community."  This is Part 4 in their series, "Best Practices of Highly-Effective Churches."

#90: Create Ownership 19.09.2021

 "It's not enough to belong to the church; church members must be encouraged to embrace the values of Christ."  The question for church leaders is: How can that be done?  What some of the most effect churches do to create ownership is the topic of this episode,  number three in the series, "Best Practices of Highly-Effective Churches."  Here, Kerry and Becky discuss three...

#89: Embed the Bible in Everything 19.09.2021

Becky and Kerry discuss a second best practice of effective churches in this episode, a best practice that was identified by the REVEAL survey of over 1,000 churches.  It is: embed the Bible in everything.  They share three strategies for making the Bible a defining characteristic of your church culture.

#88: Get People Moving 13.09.2021

Here are three strategies for overcoming inertia and getting people moving.  This is episode number one in the four-part series, "Best Practices of Effective Churches."

#87: Let's Hold Fast to the Restoration Principle 22.08.2021

What is "the restoration principle"?  Is the restoration principle valid?  In this final episode in the "Summer Shorts" series, Kerry answers these questions and defends the notion of going back to the Bible for a norm or standard for the church today.  He encourages church leaders and Christians to reproduce vital elements of the Christian religion of the first century in our...

#86: Let's Pursue an Anti-Sectarian Spirit 16.08.2021

In the early years of the Restoration Movement in America, Alexander Campbell and other leaders pled for nonsectarian Christianity, for followers of Jesus to be "Christians only."  Not only does scripture speak against division, but also for Christian unity.  Undenominational, nonsectarian Christianity is still a goal worth pursuing!  Join the discussion as Becky talks about the need to...

#85: Let's Commit Ourselves to Holy Living 07.08.2021

In episode #4 in the "Summer Shorts" series, Becky talks about Barton W. Stone's commitment to holy living and to the disciple's separation from worldly values.  Our desire to restore some of the elements of the New Testament church in our day should also mean that we should not overlook the restoration of the way Jesus wants his followers to live.

#84: Let's Welcome Open Dialogue and Robust Debate 01.08.2021

Is your church a place where people feel safe and free to ask their questions and express their doubts?  Does your church welcome open dialogue and robust debate regarding what the Bible teaches?  In this podcast, Kerry recalls some of the writings of Alexander Campbell from his 1830 Millennial Harbinger which support the practice of promoting open dialogue, allowing people to hear all sides of an...

#83: Let's Not Bind on Others What God Has Not Bound 25.07.2021

One of the slogans of the nineteenth century American Restoration Movement was "No creed but the Bible."  With this clarion call, leaders were urging Christians to look to the Bible alone as their religious authority, and to resist the tendency of religious systems to bind their human opinions and preferences on others.  Is there a  need for us to hear this word today?  Listen in and joi...

#82: Let's Be "People of the Book" 18.07.2021

In this podcast, Kerry introduces us to James O'Kelly, Rice Haggard, and events in the late 1700s that led to the beginning of the American Restoration Movement.  What we can learn about religious authority from some of the great pioneers of the faith is the subject of this episode.

#81: How to Make Worship Services More Guest-Friendly 11.07.2021

What might what some sociologists are calling "the great resignation" affect churches?  If more people are looking for meaning in their lives, and if they choose to look to the church for  purpose and meaning, what can church leaders and churches do to welcome them?  In this episode, Kerry and Becky discuss eight suggestions for making the Sunday worship assembly more guest-friendly.

#80: Cameron John--Small Group Ministry: Be All In or Don't Do It At All (Part 2) 04.07.2021

In Part 2 of Kerry's interview of this small group ministry consultant, Cameron talks about some of the pitfalls to look out for in a small group ministry.  Also, he offers some closing thoughts on what church leaders need to know before beginning such a ministry.  LIke Part 1 of this series, this episode is full of practical advice and time-tested recommendations that church leaders will sur...

#79: Cameron John--10 Tips for a Successful Small Group Ministry (Part 1) 27.06.2021

In this episode, Cameron John, a consultant for small group ministries in churches, discusses the rationale for starting a small groups' program in your church.  He also offers practical recommendations for effective small groups.  This is Part 1 of Kerry's interview with Cameron.

#78: Mistakes We Make When Talking with Our Religious Friends and Neighbors 20.06.2021

We want to be an influence for good.  We want to make a positive impression for the gospel and the Lord.  But, sometimes, our words and attitudes get in the way.  Our words may offend and alienate, and that's the last thing we want our words to do!  In this episode, Becky and Kerry discuss some of the mistakes Christians  make when talking with their religious friends and neighbors.

#77: Rather Than Judging Others, Love Them 13.06.2021

This is Part 3 in the series, "4 Ways to Improve the Post-Pandemic Church."  In this episode Kerry and Becky suggest that effective church leaders and churches post-pandemic will focus on loving and embracing others, rather than judging them and that they will be gospel-driven, rather than ideologically-driven.  We would love to hear what you think about these recommendations.  Join the...

#76: Focus on Moving People Forward 06.06.2021

Now that the pandemic is waning and church doors are re-opening, bringing people back is the primary concern of many church leaders.  That's legitimate.  After all, the scriptures speak of the importance of the assembly.  In this episode, however, Kerry and Becky discuss the need to move people forward in their walk with God and some of the steps church leaders can take to do so.   This is Pa...

#75: Decide to Become a Fully Hybrid Church 30.05.2021

In this episode Kerry and Becky begin a three-part series: "4 Ways to Improve the Post-Pandemic Church."  Many of the ideas in this episode came from a Carey Nieuwhof blog post entitled, "The Coming Church Split."  After discussing the notion that believers should pursue truth wherever or from whomever they find it, Becky and Kerry talk about one way church leaders can improve...

#74: John Royse--Elder/Minister Relations, Elder Visibility, the Role of Shepherds, and More (Part 2) 23.05.2021

John Royse, elder for The Hills Church in Fort Worth, TX shares a potpourri of insights and suggestions regarding the way elders can organize themselves, how they may relate to ministers, the 2-seat model of member engagement, advice for smaller churches, encouraging people to use their God-given gifts, elder visibility, vision-casting, and more.  This is Part 2 in Kerry's conversation with J...

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