Veritas Church
The Average Pastor Podcast
In a world obsessed with "amazing," what would it look like to live faithfully as "average" Christians? Join average pastors Mark Arant, Jake Each and Jeff Dodge as they talk about life, faith, family, friendship and more. Shoot us an email at averagepastorpodcast@gmail.com if you have a question or a topic you want us to cover on the podcast!
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Jul 6, 2026
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Episodes
21. At the Lake with Drew Stevenson: Church Growth, Modesty & Riffing on Grace 21.07.2025 1:13:36
Jeff, Mark and Jake are joined by Drew Stevenson (Lead Pastor of Redemption Church in Minneapolis, MN) on a special lake-side episode of the podcast. Listen in as they discuss church growth as a measure of success, modesty in clothing and what it looks like to be transformed by grace.
20. More Thoughts on AI & Considerations for Baptism and Communion 07.07.2025 1:18:41
In today's episode, Mark, Jake and Jeff find themselves in yet another spot of Jeff's house to reflect on their stances of AI and consider the practices of both communion and baptism in the church.
19. Anxiety, Distractions in Services & Church History 23.06.2025 1:10:19
In this episode, Mark, Jeff and Jake discuss the difference between worship that honors God and worship that caters to our own desires, as well as how to shepherd through anxiety. The pastors share their viewpoints on distractions in church services and how we should approach teaching church history to our congregations.
18. Book Clubs, Astrophysics & Artificial Intelligence 09.06.2025 1:32:18
Join Jake, Mark and Jeff as they get sucked into blackholes and discuss how Christians should interact with new technologies, specifically the onset of Artificial Intelligence.
17. The Heart Posture of Average, Discerning Ambition and "Joy" Testimonies 26.05.2025 1:09:50
Despite the sounds of playgrounds, woodpeckers and even tornado sirens, Mark, Jeff and Jake put the pursuit of average to the test, discern humble ambition and share how they came to seek God's glory through joy in Christ.
16. When to Offend & Why Church Membership Matters 12.05.2025 1:16:13
The average pastors talk about if and when it's appropriate to offend while preaching and the importance of being a member of the church family. On this episode Jeff becomes less average, Jake becomes more average and Mark attempts to land a plane blindfolded. If you have any topics or questions you'd like to hear on the podcast, leave them in the comments!
15. The Seed and the Soil & Ministry Spring Cleaning 28.04.2025 1:11:07
Mark, Jeff and Jake discuss what it means to honor Jesus's teachings in both preaching and listening and reevaluate the pastoral 'job description' as the summer approaches.
14. Reports from Abroad, Sharing the Gospel & Strategy vs. Spirit 14.04.2025 1:06:26
Mark, Jake and Jeff catch up after Mark's trip to Spain and Jeff's trip to Turkey and Greece, and discuss the roles of strategy and the Holy Spirit in church leadership. Link to Johnnie Each's writing mentioned in this episode: https://johnnieeach.substack.com/p/church-planter-please-dont-forget?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=3785451&post_id=160582128&utm_campai...
13. Psalm 131, Self-Confidence vs. Faith, and Thoughts on Worship 31.03.2025 59:34
Opening with Psalm 131, the Average Pastors speak on leading with humility before Christ and give their thoughts on the current culture's understanding of worship.
12. Optimism vs. Pessimism, Advice for Preaching & Giving 17.03.2025 1:12:46
Mark, Jeff and Jake take it back to the study to navigate the pros and cons of optimism and pessimism, the essentials to preaching and how to shape our hearts for godliness in giving.
11. Spiritual Warfare, Generational Sin and Thoughts on Fatherhood 03.03.2025 1:05:30
Mark, Jeff and Jake discuss how we should think about spiritual warfare and demonic forces in our day-to-day lives, and they reflect on their parenting - specifically the crucial role that father's play in the lives of their children.
10. Post Turtles, Presidents and Greatest Fears in Ministry 17.02.2025 1:09:11
Mark, Jeff and Jake return to the fireporch to talk about the dangers of seeking a platform. what it means to be a "post turtle," and what their greatest fears are in ministry.
9. Gospel 101, Knowledge vs. Discernment & the Holy Spirit 03.02.2025 1:10:56
On this episode, Jeff reads an excerpt from his book, Gospel 101, and Jake shares a writing about the difference between knowledge and discernment.
8. The Lord's Work in the Lord's Way, Defining "Greatness" & Building Campaigns 20.01.2025 53:58
Jeff, Mark and Jake discuss what it means to do the Lord's work in the Lord's way, and how that impacts their approach to discipleship, fundraising and more.
7. Mastering the Restart, Adventurous Living & What to Preserve About Our Churches 06.01.2025 1:06:19
On this episode, Mark, Jeff and Jake discuss plans for the new year, what it means to live adventurously and what they want to preserve about their church cultures.
6. Christmas Episode! On Location at Jeff's Fireporch 23.12.2024 58:09
On this episode, the average pastors hang out on Jeff's fireporch, discuss Christmas traditions and look back over life events in 2023.
5. Whale Hunting, Personal Growth and Why People Don't Like Veritas 02.12.2024 1:03:37
Mark, Jake and Jeff discuss several topics, including: how to shepherd generosity in the church, how they've grown over the years and how to tell the difference between flattery and encouragement. Stick around until the end to hear what's in everyone's "candy aisle!"
4. Jeff's trip to Zambia, Parenting and Thoughts on God's Calling 25.11.2024 55:17
Jeff gives an update on his recent trip to Zambia, Jake recaps his Parenting Conference and the average pastors discuss the question: "How do I know if God is calling me to something?"
3. God the Prize 11.11.2024 48:36
Jake wrote a book! On this episode, Mark, Jeff and Jake talk about his new book, "God the Prize: The Key to Grasping the Gospel." You can purchase it today in paperback, e-book or audiobook!
2. Politics 01.11.2024 1:07:16
With the election just days away, Mark, Jeff and Jake discuss how Christians can faithfully engage with political issues. This podcast was originally recorded for the Veritas Cedar Rapids Equipping podcast. You can subscribe to that podcast here !
1. Welcome to the Average Pastor Podcast 26.10.2024 48:19
Mark Arant, Jake Each and Jeff Dodge introduce The Average Pastor Podcast. In a world obsessed with "amazing," what would it look like if Christians aspired to be average?
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