Allan Schwartzman and Charlotte Burns
The Art World: What If...?!
What if we reimagined everything in culture, from painting to patronage? Tune in to The Art World: What If…?! to hear leading thinkers, creators and innovators in art rethink the system, exploring the consequences with wit, wisdom and humor. Join art journalist Charlotte Burns and world-renowned art advisor Allan Schwartzman as they exclusively interview museum leaders, collectors and artists including MoMA director Glenn Lowry, Guggenheim deputy director Naomi Beckwith, non-profit leader Kemi Ilesanmi, curator Cecilia Alemani and Sandra Jackson-Dumont, the director of the Lucas Museum of Narr...
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Allan Schwartzman and Charlotte Burns
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Oct 16, 2025
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Episodes
The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Kathy Halbreich 28.06.2022 15:39
Hope & Dread Extra: Kathy Halbreich features a conversation with Kathy Halbreich, the executive director of the Robert Rauschenberg Foundation, about why she has put artists at the center of her vision of creating change. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread . Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insight...
The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Black Trustee Alliance 28.06.2022 13:09
Hope & Dread Extra: Black Trustee Alliance focuses on a new organization—the Black Trustee Alliance—that hopes to bring change to the museum field. Tune in to hear from the collector and philanthropist Victoria Rogers, who is co-chair of BTA and Brooke Minto, its executive director. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread . Ou...
The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Lulani Arquette 23.06.2022 12:32
Hope & Dread Extra: Lulani Arquette brings you the highlights of our interview with the president and CEO of the Native Arts and Cultures Foundation, which is in the middle of an expansion into a new building in Portland, Oregon. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread . Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extr...
The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Dr. Kelli Morgan 21.06.2022 16:40
Hope & Dread Extra: Dr. Kelli Morgan brings you more from Kelli Morgan, who recently left the museum field for academia after experiencing profound racism. She is now the professor of the practice and director of curatorial studies, history of art and architecture at Tufts University in Massachusetts. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites fro...
The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Tiffany Sia 16.06.2022 9:29
Hope & Dread Extra: Tiffany Sia features the artist, filmmaker, and writer Tiffany Sia who recently left Hong Kong for fear of her safety.. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread . Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn't have room for within the documentary series. But we didn't w...
The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Lord Ed Vaizey 14.06.2022 16:18
Hope & Dread Extra: Lord Ed Vaizey brings you more from the former UK culture minister, Lord Vaizey of Didcot, who ran the Department for Culture, Media and Sport from 2010 to 2016 under a Conservative government. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread . Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that...
The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Max Hollein 09.06.2022 15:59
Hope & Dread Extra: Max Hollein brings you some highlights from our interview with the Marina Kellen French Director of the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York, who talks about his vision for the museum. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread . Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just...
The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Michael Armitage 07.06.2022 18:08
Hope & Dread Extra: Michael Armitage focuses on a conversation with artist Michael Armitage, who recently founded the Nairobi Contemporary Arts Institute (NCAI). Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread . Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn't have room for within the documentary s...
The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Hamza Walker 02.06.2022 15:54
Hope & Dread Extra: Hamza Walker brings you more from a season favorite—Hamza Walker, the director of LAXART in Los Angeles—who talks about an exhibition of decommissioned Confederate monuments he is co-organizing with artist Kara Walker. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread . Our guests were brimming with additional ideas...
The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Amy Webb 31.05.2022 11:25
Hope & Dread Extra : Amy Webb brings you more from the futurist Amy Webb, founder and CEO of the Future Today Institute and author of The Genesis Machine: Our Quest to Rewrite Life in the Age of Synthetic Biology . Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread . Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that...
The Art World: Hope & Dread, Long Nights at the Round Table 18.05.2022 46:43
For the final episode, hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman are joined by the series' editorial advisors, Deana Haggag, Mia Locks and Jay Sanders. They'll highlight key discoveries and plot some of the changes that have occurred during production of the programs. Where does power reside now in the art world? What does that mean for broader society? And, of course, in the middle of 2022, do...
The Art World: Hope & Dread, Are You Sitting Uncomfortably? 04.05.2022 41:52
As shifts in power scramble the chessboard, how are our guests reacting to the pace of change? Our interviewees—from critics to museum directors, philanthropists to an astrologer—share their tips for dealing with discomfort. The stakes are high: tune in to hear some of the solutions. New episodes available every other Wednesday. For more, follow @artand_media on Instagram / Twitter / LinkedIn /...
The Art World: Hope & Dread, What We Talk About When We Talk About The Art Market 20.04.2022 40:59
In the second of two episodes dedicated to the art market, Charlotte Burns turns to her series co-host; the richly experienced art advisor, critic and curator Allan Schwartzman, as he offers his understanding of where the market sits now—and how it may look in the future. Drawing out trends, strands, opportunities and obstacles, this program represents an intimate insight into an ever-fluctuating...
The Art World: Hope & Dread, The Business of Art 06.04.2022 47:27
In the first of two episodes dedicated to the business of art, Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman trace the changing contours of an industry defined by dealmaking. Power within the art trade is held by a few key players and yet, the art market shapes the lives and livelihoods of almost everyone working in art. In an art world that likes to season the cold logic of commodities trading with the l...
The Art World: Hope & Dread, Artists: Players or Pawns? 23.03.2022 40:02
In a series dedicated to tectonic shifts in power in art, why did we wait so long to devote a show to the artists themselves? Well, we wanted to paint a picture of the landscape in which those creators now live and work - and as you've heard, it is complex . In this episode we hear from artists who want to change the system with their own foundations, support networks and big ideas. These are stor...
The Art World: Hope & Dread, Westward Ho! 09.03.2022 41:53
The series heads north by northwest to Portland, Oregon to uncover a surprisingly hideous history: could it be that this hipster mecca was founded as a whites-only utopia? Answer: hell, yeah. When a curator has to rub shoulders with Neo-Nazis during the installation of her exhibition, there may well be trouble built into the very fabric of the state. We speak to the broader arts community in Portl...
The Art World: Hope & Dread, Executive Session 23.02.2022 40:46
Today you'll hear from that echelon who are really running America's museums: the board. This is where the real power in museums resides. We'll find out if these trustees have fully grasped the issues that museums need to tackle today. Do they have ambitious enough solutions? Who makes sure the museum sticks to its mission, or that the trustees are doing their job? After all - who governs the gove...
The Art World: Hope & Dread, Take Me To Your Leader 09.02.2022 35:21
Having examined the pressure mounting on institutions from the street, the public galleries and then from within - this penultimate museum-focused episode asks who'd want to run one? Hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman ask the director of the Met how comfortable that throne really is. Who should run the nation's museums? Who'd want to, amidst a world of shifting certainties? Hope & Dread h...
The Art World: Hope & Dread, Infernal Affairs 02.02.2022 34:02
We're going behind the scenes at the museum to better understand the recent groundswell of voices criticizing museum power structures as they exist, coming in the form of unionization efforts, artist-led activism and open letters by disgruntled staff. Are museums practicing what they preach? After all, if you can perfectly preserve a 14th-Century Persian carpet in a climate-controlled glass vitrin...
The Art World: Hope & Dread, Burning Down The House? 26.01.2022 39:31
Museums have become cultural battlegrounds—monuments to meaning that are struggling to contain democracy. Museums have mushroomed: from audience numbers to board members, from the value of art to the real estate that houses it, and from international interest to the size of local protests. Hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman will guide you through the troubled museum system over the next...
The Art World: Hope & Dread, Controlling Culture 21.12.2021 43:42
Political arguments and cultural debates have become indivisible in recent years and this episode explores ideas around controlling culture from above. Hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman will hear from a British politician who says he'd return the controversial "Elgin Marbles" to Greece if he had the chance and, as China cracks down on dissenting voices with its national security law for...
The Art World: Hope & Dread, Introduction 15.12.2021 12:48
Introducing this new documentary series exploring power in art, hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman discuss the biggest challenges in the cultural world today. At a moment of epochal shifts and changing certainties, these are issues that extend well beyond the art world—from governments and human rights, to history and democracy. Arguments around monuments are linked to debates about museu...
The Art World: Hope & Dread, American History, Axed 14.12.2021 34:56
America's public spaces have been throbbing with the sounds of loud arguments about history and identity, encapsulated by the debate over Confederate monuments. In this episode, hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman introduce you to artists and curators suggesting new ways of dealing with American history—taking you behind the arguments about whether statues should stay or go and offering a...
The Art World: Hope & Dread, Introducing Hope & Dread 14.12.2021 12:48
Introducing this new documentary series exploring power in art, hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman discuss the biggest challenges in the cultural world today. At a moment of epochal shifts and changing certainties, these are issues that extend well beyond the art world—from governments and human rights, to history and democracy. Arguments around monuments are linked to debates about museu...
The Art World: Hope and Dread 09.12.2021 3:37
The series explores power in art--and how it's bound up with democracy, society and the wider world. You'll meet people who are trying to change the balance of that power, and you'll witness resistance to that change. You'll hear about what's been won and what's been lost with an art market explosion fueled by money, technology and shifts in taste and power. Talking to dozens of people, from artis...
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