Danielle Wiley, Sway Group CEO
The Art of Sway
Welcome to The Art of Sway, a podcast that dives deep into the exciting and dynamic world of influencer marketing. Join hosts Danielle Wiley of Sway Group and Casey Benedict of Maverick Mindshare as they engage in spirited discussions on controversies, platform updates, industry news, and compelling hot topics of this growing industry. Tune in each week for expert insight, lively debates, and smart ideas on the future of influencer marketing.
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Danielle Wiley, Sway Group CEO
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Jul 6, 2026
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Episodes
Episode 20: The Art of Sway + Maverick Mindshare: The Nimbus Innovation Summit: A New Era of Collaboration 07.04.2025 33:28
In this conversation, Danielle and Casey discuss their experiences at the Nimbus Innovation Summit, focusing on the importance of collaboration in influencer marketing, the challenges of pricing and measurement, and the emotional dynamics involved in negotiations. They emphasize the need for support and resources in the industry, the significance of job satisfaction, and the value of in-person con...
The Art of Sway + Maverick Mindshare Episode 19: The Evolution of Influencer Events 31.03.2025 35:01
In this conversation, Danielle and Casey explore the evolution and significance of influencer events in marketing. They discuss the shift from large, extravagant gatherings to more intimate, meaningful experiences that foster genuine connections between brands and influencers. The duo emphasizes the importance of creating engaging, accessible events that provide value to participants while also ad...
Episode 18: Are Influencers the New Face of Product Entrepreneurship? 24.03.2025 29:07
In this conversation, Danielle and Casey discuss the evolving landscape of the creator economy, emphasizing the shift from mere influence to entrepreneurship among creators. They explore the pressures placed on influencers to launch their own brands, the misconceptions surrounding influencer value, and the need for brands to support influencers in their marketing efforts. The discussion highlights...
Episode 17: The Art of Sway + Maverick Mindshare: Unilever's 20X Investment: A Game Changer? 17.03.2025 28:46
In this episode, Danielle and Casey discuss the recent announcement by Unilever to significantly increase their investment in influencer marketing. They explore the implications of this bold move, the operational challenges it presents, and the potential role of AI in influencer marketing. The conversation also touches on the current economic climate and how it may affect marketing strategies movi...
Episode 16: The Art of Sway + Maverick Mindshare: The Intersection of Algorithms and Content Strategy 03.03.2025 31:27
In this conversation, Danielle and Casey explore the intersection of social media management and influencer marketing, discussing the importance of understanding algorithms, trends, and audience engagement. They emphasize the value of expertise in creating effective marketing strategies and the need for authentic connections in the industry. The discussion also touches on the challenges of navigat...
Episode 15: The Art of Sway + Maverick Mindshare: Navigating the AI Landscape in Influencer Marketing 24.02.2025 34:30
In this conversation, Danielle and Casey explore the implications of AI in influencer marketing, discussing the absurdity of AI influencers, the ethical considerations of using deep fakes, and the potential impact of AI-driven agencies on the industry. They also delve into the evolving landscape of SEO and marketing in the age of AI, emphasizing the importance of creativity and chaos in maintainin...
Episode 14: The Art of Sway + Maverick Mindshare: Creator Economy Insights from the Big Game 17.02.2025 32:49
In this conversation, Danielle Wiley and Casey Benedict discuss the cultural impact of the Super Bowl, particularly focusing on the Doritos ad campaign that invited creators to submit commercials. They critique the implications for the creator economy, emphasizing the need for fair compensation and the importance of nurturing talent. The discussion also touches on the challenges brands face in bri...
Episode 13: The Art of Sway + Maverick Mindshare: Navigating the Creator Economy: Insights from Recent Events 10.02.2025 35:16
In this conversation, Danielle Wiley and Casey Benedict discuss their experiences at recent marketing events, focusing on the Creator Economy Live and the Women's Agency Ownership Summit. They explore the dynamics of networking, the challenges faced in influencer marketing, and the misconceptions surrounding the ease of influencer campaigns. The discussion highlights the importance of understandin...
Episode 12: The Art of Sway + Maverick Mindshare: Influencers vs. Creators. The Showdown 03.02.2025 30:46
In this conversation, Danielle and Casey explore the nuanced differences between influencers and creators, discussing their roles in marketing and the implications for brands. They delve into the evolving language around these terms, the importance of trust and expertise in influencer marketing, and how aspirational marketing plays a role in consumer behavior. The discussion highlights the value o...
Episode 11: The Art of Sway + Maverick Mindshare: Navigating Overwhelm in a Chaotic World 27.01.2025 31:00
In this conversation, Danielle and Casey discuss the overwhelming nature of current events and the impact on their work in social media and influencer marketing. They explore the challenges of navigating a rapidly changing digital landscape, the importance of building trust with clients, and the need for safe spaces within professional communities. They emphasize the value of connection, the cycli...
Episode 10: The Art of Sway + Maverick Mindshare: The Future of Influencer Marketing in a Post-TikTok World 20.01.2025 30:30
In this conversation, Danielle Wiley and Tracie Nall discuss the recent instability surrounding TikTok, particularly in light of the current ban. They explore the implications for clients and creators, the challenges of shifting to alternative platforms like Instagram and YouTube, and the impact on influencer marketing strategies. The discussion highlights the importance of adapting to the changin...
Episode 9: The Art of Sway + Maverick Mindshare: Analyzing the Benefits (and the limits!) of Influencer Marketing Platforms 13.01.2025 33:55
In this conversation, Danielle Wiley and Casey Benedict explore the complexities of influencer marketing, discussing the spectrum of platforms available, the importance of human oversight in vetting influencers, and the role of technology in boosting content and reporting metrics. They emphasize that while platforms can streamline processes, the human element remains crucial for effective influenc...
Episode 8: The Art of Sway + Maverick Mindshare: Navigating the Influencer Landscape: Lessons from 2024 06.01.2025 33:59
In this episode, Danielle Wiley and Casey Benedict reflect on the year 2024, discussing the challenges and successes in influencer marketing. They share personal experiences with influencer collaborations, emphasizing the importance of communication, professionalism, and creativity. The conversation highlights the need for influencers to establish clear communication styles, navigate exclusivity a...
Episode 7: The Art of Sway + Maverick Mindshare: B2B Influencer Marketing: The New Frontier on LinkedIn (but does it have to be?) 16.12.2024 37:24
In this conversation, Danielle Wiley and Casey Benedict discuss the chaotic nature of the holiday season for parents, the potential ban on TikTok and its implications for marketing, the emergence of B2B influencers on LinkedIn, and the challenges faced in B2B influencer marketing. They explore the complexities of influencer partnerships, the importance of authenticity, and the need for best practi...
Episode 6: The Art of Sway + Maverick Mindshare: The Challenges, Complexities, and Outright Deception of Influencer Agency Fees 09.12.2024 40:29
In this conversation, Danielle Wiley and Casey Benedict discuss the complexities surrounding influencer agency fees, including the lack of consensus on what these fees should be, the evolution of transparency in the industry, and the challenges of negotiating fees while maintaining proprietary knowledge. They also touch on the growing importance of influencer marketing as a legitimate part of the...
Episode 5: The Art of Sway + Maverick Mindshare: Engagement Rates: A Moving Target 25.11.2024 31:44
In this episode, Danielle Wiley and Casey Benedict discuss the relevance of engagement rates in influencer marketing. They explore the declining trends in engagement metrics, the challenges of communication between agencies and clients, and the complexities of calculating engagement rates. The conversation also touches on the limitations of engagement rates as a sole metric for success and the imp...
Episode 4: The Art of Sway + Maverick Mindshare: Is Influencer Marketing About Awareness or Performance? 11.11.2024 39:25
In this conversation, Danielle Wiley and Casey Benedict explore the evolving landscape of influencer marketing, focusing on the tension between performance metrics and brand awareness. They discuss the historical context of influencer marketing, the importance of understanding consumer behavior, and the challenges faced by agencies in meeting client expectations. The conversation highlights the ne...
Episode 3: The Art of Sway + Maverick Mindshare: Celebrities vs. Influencers: Understanding the Divide 04.11.2024 33:48
In this episode, Danielle Wiley and Casey Benedict explore the distinctions between celebrities and influencers, discussing how their backgrounds influence marketing strategies. They delve into the complexities of working with each type, emphasizing the importance of trust and authenticity in influencer marketing. The conversation also touches on the evolving landscape of influencer marketing, the...
Episode 2: The Art of Sway + Maverick Mindshare: Talent Managers in the Influencer Space. Friends or Foes? 28.10.2024 37:26
In this episode, Danielle Wiley and Casey Benedict celebrate Danielle's birthday while discussing the latest trends in influencer marketing, particularly focusing on Instagram's carousel feature and its implications for brands and influencers. They explore the evolution of influencer marketing, the challenges faced by student athletes in the NIL landscape, and the complexities surrounding talent m...
Episode 1: The Art of Sway + Maverick Mindshare: The Role of Influencers in Politics 21.10.2024 36:54
In this inaugural episode of the new season of 'The Art of Sway', hosts Danielle Wiley and Casey Benedict share their backgrounds, how they met, and their experiences in the influencer marketing space. They discuss the evolution of influencer marketing, the upcoming Niimbus Conference, and the growing role of influencers in political discourse. The conversation also touches on the challenges of ba...
Episode 20: The Art of Sway + ICYMI: TikTok's Whee App: A Return to the Original Instagram? 24.06.2024 27:38
This week's conversation covered several topics, including Instagram's new Close Friends Live feature, TikTok's new app for sharing with close friends, Instagram's dashboard for marketers, news from the Cannes festival, and the rise of positive influencers and the #HopeCore movement. The conversation also included personal recommendations for a bagel shop and a documentary about the first black Ba...
Episode 19: The Art of Sway + ICYMI: YouTube's A/B Testing and AI-Powered Ads 17.06.2024 35:13
This week's conversation covers updates and news from various social media platforms, including YouTube, TikTok, LinkedIn, and Instagram. Danielle and Lia discuss YouTube's new A/B testing feature for thumbnails and the use of AI to determine the best-performing ads. They also talk about TikTok's focus on music and its testing of visual search for shopping. The conversation touches on LinkedIn's u...
Episode 18: The Art of Sway + ICYMI: Is ByteDance Really Working on a U.S. Copy of the TikTok App? 10.06.2024 21:38
This week's conversation covers updates from Instagram, TikTok, and Facebook. Instagram is testing unskippable ads in the feed and Reels drafts that can be sent for feedback. TikTok is rumored to be working on a US copy of the app, and they have confirmed the introduction of streaks. Facebook is actively targeting Gen Z users by improving feed ranking, focusing on reels, and enhancing payments to...
Episode 17: The Art of Sway + ICYMI: Confusion on Instagram, TikTok Streaks, Discord Disappointment, and Brand Reactions (or not) from Chanel and Chipotle 03.06.2024 37:11
In this episode, Danielle and Lia discuss Instagram’s mixed messages, TikTok’s legal updates and the introduction of Streaks, some very disappointing news from Discord, and the reactions, or lack thereof, from Chanel and Chipotle in response to influencer feedback. They also share their recent influences, including a new cookbook and Australian fashion inspo. Learn more about your ad choices. Visi...
Episode 16: The Art of Sway + ICYMI: TweetDeck for Threads, New Features Brewing on Instagram, LOOOONG TikToks, and Changes at Reddit and Google 20.05.2024 33:40
In this episode, Danielle and Lia discuss the new TweetDeck-like tool on Threads, multiple product tests on Instagram, extended video length (60 minutes!) on TikTok, AMA updates on Reddit, and changes in Google search results. They also share their recent influences, including a reality show-inspired email marketing course and the hot new collaboration between Gap and Doen. Learn more about your a...
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