The Art Of Hospitality Podcast
The Art Of Hospitality
The Art of Hospitality is the podcast for vacation rental professionals who want to think differently about what they're building. Each week, Conrad O'Connell and Adam Norko dig into the ideas, strategies, and conversations shaping the vacation rental industry — from AI and operations to guest experience and growth. Less fluff. More depth. Always practical.
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Jul 8, 2026
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Episodes
Learning From Two Decades Of Mid-Term Rentals Experience (With Gary Brown) 07.01.2026 54:19
In this episode, we're joined by Gary Brown of Furnished Quarters to talk mid-term rentals, NYC, regulations, growth, marketing vs product, the guest experience, when to expand into a new market, and a LOT more... Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Gary Brown Furnished Quarters
How Do You Make Data Useful For Your Vacation Rental Business (With Adam Norko & Conrad O'Connell) 31.12.2025 31:55
In this episode, we're solo to catch up again on year-end 2025 trends, data vs "vibes", averages, DARM recapping and a LOT more... Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell
Breaking Down Growth In All The Right Ways, Vibe Coding & More (With JJ King) 24.12.2025 51:37
We welcome back JJ King on his own dedicated episode to dive into his recent expansion, vibe coding, SAAS platforms, the future of vacation rentals, FL and more! Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell JJ King Beachside VR
Talking All Things Revenue, Booms, Local Vs National & More... (With Rena Pacheco-Theard) 17.12.2025 1:00:30
In this episode, we're joined by Rena Pacheco-Thea, the CEO & Co-Founder at Boutiq to talk all things revenue, pricing, booms and busts, marketplace dynamics and more... Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Rena Pacheco-Theard Boutiq
Taking Control Of Your Career And Mindset For Success (With Michelle Marquis) 10.12.2025 50:43
In this episode, we're joined (again) by industry legend Michelle Marquis to talk all things leadership, career pivots and her journey, being "bossy" and a LOT more. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Michelle Marquis The Bossy Girl's Guide to Leadership: Real Talk on Power, Purpose, and Leading Out Loud
Creating Success In Unique Vacation Rental Markets (With Jeremy Udovich) 03.12.2025 51:34
In this episode, we're joined by Jeremy Udovich to talk about breaking into the vacation rental space from outside of it, being in a "small" market, properties that can make $300k+ per year, growth, leaving a 9-5, the golf industry and how it relates to vacation rentals and a LOT more... Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Jeremy Udovich Sheboygan Vacation Rentals
Everything Is Changing: This Expert Explains Why And How You'll Be Impacted (With Brennen Bliss) 26.11.2025 49:31
In this episode, we break apart the changes happening in marketing, AI, search, brand discovery and a TON more with expert Brennen Bliss. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Brennen Bliss Propellic The 2025 Study
Sonder Is Dead. What Happened And What's The Future Of Master Leasing? (With Adam Norko and Conrad O'Connell) 19.11.2025 33:32
In this episode, we're solo to break down the Sonder death, master leasing, shifting tides in our industry, demand going down and a LOT more... Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Skift - Sonder Shuts Down After Marriott Termination, Marking the End of a Hospitality Experiment
Previewing DARM 2025: The Impact Of Vacation Rental Conferences Right Now (With Amy Hinote) 12.11.2025 48:50
In this episode, we're joined by Amy Hinote to preview the upcoming DARM (Data and Revenue Management Conference) 2025 conference in Sandestin, Florida. Buy your ticket TODAY to see us there. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Amy Hinote DARM
What Most Managers And Hosts Miss When Designing Their In-Property Experience (With Rachel Vigil) 05.11.2025 52:44
In this episode, we break down what many hosts miss when it comes to the in-property experience, how product placement works in vacation/short term rentals, building a business while hosting and a LOT more. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell UpClose Marketing Rachel Vigil
Trust And Brand Building In Today's New AI World (With Jessica Gillingham) 29.10.2025 52:12
In this episode, we chat about PR, brand, building trust, AI and a LOT more with Jessica Gillingham. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Jessica Gillingham Abode PR Jessica's Book: Tech-Enabled Hospitality: Strategies to Elevate Guest Experience and Operational Efficiency
VRMA 2025 In Las Vegas (With JJ King, Alex Alioto, Dennis Goedheid & Jamie Lane) 22.10.2025 1:25:43
In this first ever in-person recording, Conrad O'Connell and Adam Norko pack the mics and go to Las Vegas for VRMA 2025! A HUGE thank you to VRMA for hosting us at the conference and allowing us to cover this critical moment in the industry for our events. We interview four amazing industry experts across OTA, property management and more. Another huge thanks to: JJ King, Alex Alioto, Dennis Goe...
The Direct Booking Movement Is More Important Than You Even Think... (With Humphrey Bowles) 15.10.2025 51:54
In this episode, we chat about the "digital sharecroppers" commonly known as the OTAs with Humphrey Bowles, the CEO of Truvi. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Humphrey Bowles Truvi
Bye For Now (With Scott Fasano) 08.10.2025 30:40
In this episode, we deal with a tough one: we say goodbye to Scott Fasano, our original co-host as part of the trio. Scott shares about his new non-vacation-rental journey and what he's working on now. It's not goodbye. It's bye for now, Scott! ♥️ ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Scott Fasano Scott's Substack
Telling The Story Of Real Estate Investments That Make Business Sense (With Zach Arko) 01.10.2025 38:21
In this episode, we're chatting with Zach Arko from Breezy Vacays to talk investing, areas to consider, buying islands, New Mexico and a LOT more. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Zach Arko Ruidoso Cabins Little Raccoon Key Missing Hotel
Talking Operations To The Next Level As You Scale (With Michael Vialpando) 24.09.2025 49:53
In this episode, we're chatting with Michael Vialpando of Renjoy to talk all things operations, scaling, growing and headed to the next level in their vacation rental company. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Michael Vialpando Renjoy
Marketing Approach With The Four Boxes Framework, Airbnb Changes, Guest Trends In 2025 & More (With Conrad O'Connell & Adam Norko) 17.09.2025 56:42
In this episode, we're solo dolo again to chat all things marketing, Airbnb changes (taking more of your $$), the four box framework for marketing and a LOT more... Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell
What Does The Next OTA Success Story Look Like? (With Paul Buonopane & Jeffrey Manheimer) 10.09.2025 52:53
In this episode, we're back with two awesome guests from "Stay" (https://staywithstay.com/): Paul Buonopane & Jeffrey Manheimer to talk all things marketplaces, OTA, direct vs control, platforms, growth, marketing and a LOT more... Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Paul Buonopane Jeffrey Manheimer Stay
Learning Through Growth, Exit, And Building Something Brand-New + VRMA 2025 Preview (With Jodi Refosco) 03.09.2025 52:32
In this episode, we're joined by newly minted "Pioneer" Jodi Refosco of Deep Creek Lake to talk across a wide variety of topics including growing to 500+ units, selling her business, building something new in DCL, previewing VRMA 2025 and a LOT more. Awesome bonus: use promo code ART100 to save $100 on your VRMA Registration if you purchase before September 5th, 2025. Terms apply. https://www.vrm...
Summer 2025 Grab Bag (With Adam Norko & Conrad O'Connell) 27.08.2025 39:48
In this episode, we're solo dolo to chat on a grab bag of topics: AI, building apps, tech stack, marketing, how Summer 2025 went in the industry and a lot more! Don't worry - guests return next week. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell
Hands On With Top Performing Properties Is Hard Work (With Erin Lenhardt) 20.08.2025 50:35
In this episode, we're joined by Erin Lenhardt of The Brighthouse to talk building, market focus, design of winning STRs, guest experience, investing and a LOT more... Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell The Brighthouse Erin Lenhardt
This Expert Says Almost Every Vacation Rental Manager Is Doing Design All WRONG (With Mark Lumpkin) 13.08.2025 54:07
In this episode, we're joined by Mark Lumpkin of STR Cribs to talk all things, design, returns, performance of commodity listings vs designed listings, where most property managers fail, winning on Airbnb, how to get more bookings with design and a LOT more. Buckle up. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell STR Cribs Mark Lumpkin
What Are Vacation Rental Managers Getting Wrong On Digital Ads? (With Amber Knight) 06.08.2025 45:03
In this episode, we're joined by Amber Knight from BookingsCloud to talk advertising, marketing teams, budget, AI/ML, targeting and a LOT more! Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Amber Knight BookingsCloud Editor's note: we had some minor audio issues during recording.
Lessons Learned From Scaling Content Creation Marketing To 80%+ Direct Bookings (With Sarah Stahl) 30.07.2025 49:40
In this episode, we're joined by Sarah Stahl to talk all about her experience growing a unique stays brand in Alabama, using content creators, generating brand awareness and a LOT more... Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Sarah Stahl Website Sarah Stahl LinkedIn
Building Teams And Systems: Is This The Way To Actually Scale And Grow? (With Marisa Grover) 23.07.2025 54:56
In this episode, we're joined by Marisa Grover to talk all things "markets", systems, Airbnb vs direct, working in your own backyard, and a LOT more. Enjoy! ⭐️ Links & Show Notes Adam Norko Conrad O'Connell Marisa Grover Follow Marisa on Instagram Home On The Range
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