Yardaena Osband & Anne Gordon
Talking Talmud
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Pesachim 107: Wine, Wine, Wine, Wine, Beer 08.03.2021 20:50
A review of how long one can say kiddush and havdalah, if one missed the ideal initial time. Ameimar repeats (and limits) Rava's statement. Ameimar in the house of R. Hisda was concerned that they didn't have wine for havdalah - according to the report of R. Hisda's sons. But when he discovered that they habitually (apparently) didn't have wine, he was willing to use the beer they gave him for hav...
Pesachim 106: Keeping Your Wits about You 07.03.2021 13:28
Remember the day of the Sabbath - that teaches kiddush of the day, but how do we know to make kiddush at night too? In fact, we should really be asking about the day and taking the night as the given. Until another approach is presented - for the source of kiddush at night. Note that the Gemara here is sussing out what is going to be the authoritative approach. Also, what kiddush should be made du...
Pesachim 105: Shabbat Arrives When It Does, Like It or Not 06.03.2021 13:42
A story of a meal where the diners need to determine whether Shabbat has begun. Which leads to a discussion about the fact that Shabbat establishes itself, and incurs a need to make kiddush - which is not the same thing as people actually creating the sanctity of Shabbat. Also, can you make up the Friday night kiddush during the day of Shabbat? Plus, the confidence and humility of R. Nachman bar Y...
Pesachim 104: Drawing Distinctions 05.03.2021 18:27
The content of Havdalah - making distinctions. But the point could be made so much more succinctly! Note the goal of having the essential theme of a blessing at its opening and closing. Plus, the value of sharpening our awareness of the distinctions in the world by articulating them. Also, "the children of the righteous," and the essence of these distinctions. Plus, the order of those distinctions...
Pesachim 103: The Alphabet Soup of Havdalah 04.03.2021 17:09
What's the order of the different components of Havdalah? What ARE the different components of Havdalah? A lot of ordering and reordering, depending on which Amora's opinion. What it means for Shabbat to depart and the week to begin. Plus, the addition of the torch as "nicer." || Note, and with apologies, that the app again overlapped our voices in ways that didn't happen in real time.
Pesachim 102: When Meals End (or Don't) 03.03.2021 16:08
R. Yochanan's opinion that one doesn't need to make a new bracha over food in a new locale. That is, no after-blessing nor prior to eating, even for the foods that do not need an after-blessing. But that's disputed, of course. And somewhat counter-intuitive, prioritizing the nature of the food or the meal over the logistics of location. Also, Birkat HaMazon over a cup of wine, and whether that can...
Pesachim 101: Eat Where You Kiddush 02.03.2021 17:21
Kiddush! Why we make kiddush at home, after hearing it in shul, and why we make kiddush in shul, despite the fact that we're going to make kiddush at home too. Plus the requirement to have a meal in the place where you make kiddush, for kiddush to count. Also, how halakhah is quoted from an amoraic perspective, and how they put it into practice.
Pesachim 100: If You Close Your Eyes, Tomorrow Never Comes 01.03.2021 13:55
In not wrecking your appetite before the first yom tov meal, if you do start a meal on Erev Shabbat or Erev Yom Tov, how would it work? Do you interrupt the meal you're in to daven and make kiddush? There's a difference of opinion, of course. Would you interrupt for Havdalah, even according to those who say that you should for Kiddush? You can hide the table for Havdalah.
Pesachim 99: How Hard It Is to Keep Quiet 28.02.2021 14:18
A neat solution for the lost Korban Pesach. Plus: the value of a science, for both the fool and the wise, including context! Also: Chapter 10! Coming to the matzah with an appetite. And the four cups, which demonstrates the freedom of Seder night (as well as the expense and how to handle it). That is, the class equalizer, at least in concept, of the seder. Plus, the Gemara's question about why Ere...
Pesachim 98: Tying Up Loose Ends 27.02.2021 30:17
3 interesting mishnayot: 1. Designating an animal that never should have been consecrated for a Korban Pesach - what can be done with the animal? What if something gets in the way of the offering between the time of consecration and the time of offering? What if one becomes an onen - an immediate mourner? 5 Amoraim then address what the case is, of when one became an onen. 2. Animals that are mixe...
Pesachim 97: Taking Refuge in a Cemetery 26.02.2021 14:22
On Shmuel's discussion of a Korban Chatat, and the 5 cases when an animal that was designated for the korban can't be used, and it's put to death instead of living out its days grazing, until it gets a blemish anyway. Plus the policy of sending most out to graze, if disqualified. And the parallel application of these same cases to the Korban Pesach (they become korbanot shelamim), but still, most...
Pesachim 96: The Original Pesach 25.02.2021 18:15
The differences between the Korban Pesach brought as part of the Exodus from Egypt and the Korban Pesach that was offered every year.... Contrasting the in-person experience, as compared to the memorialization of the experience. Also, not substituting one animal for an already designated, consecrated animal, but what if have already done so?
Pesachim 95: Sing the Korban Home 24.02.2021 18:50
More on Pesach Sheni - this time, how it differs from Pesach Rishon. And how they're the same, too. Plus, how the requirement of Hallel adds a new dimension to our theoretical experience of the Korban Pesach. Also, what happens when the Korban Pesach is brought when most of the community is impure, which means a lot of people who cannot enter the Temple... with different categories of Impurity, an...
Pesachim 94: When the Stars Weren't Fixed in the Sky 23.02.2021 19:06
A journey into the heavens: the astronomy of the Talmud and that of today, post-Copernicus. Including a dispute between the Jewish sages and the non-Jewish sages if their day. Also, an interesting take on Nebuchadnezzar and a bat kol. And the distances of the earth to the firmament. Plus: 4 seasonal paths that the sun takes across the sky.
Pesachim 93: The Make-Up Exam (Maybe) 22.02.2021 16:55
When is one obligated to bring a Korban Pesach on Pesach Sheni? Whether you'd get karet or not for missing Pesach Rishon... When does karet kick in? What about those whose obligation for the Korban Pesach kicks in between Pesach Rishon and Pesach Sheni? Can you be obligated in the second one that year at all?! Three opinions on Pesach Sheni, and the rationales for each of them. Also, how far is a...
Pesachim 92: Impractical Cases 21.02.2021 21:44
More on the mourner in the immediacy of mourning, as another distinction between the Korban Pesach and other kodshim. In contrast to one who hears of a close relative's death more than 30 days after the death. Also, the case of a convert who converts on Erev Pesach, and the dispute between Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai. As part of the consideration of the many different populations and the applicat...
Pesachim 91: Social Cohesion of the Pesach, Excepting Women (R. Shimon) 20.02.2021 15:37
The case of one in immediate mourning (onen) and others who becomes unable to eat from the Korban Pesach, but are eligible at the time of schitah, they are included, as long as that group for the korban isn't only those ambiguous categories of status. Also, more on women and the Korban Pesach. For all that most include women, R. Shimon apparently does not.
Pesachim 90: The Korban Pesach and the Prostitute 19.02.2021 18:24
The money for a Korban Pesach and a prostitute's (zonah) earnings/fees - can these be one and the same, or rather, how to relate to these cases. Why is this here now, what are the implications? Also, what can you do with the Korban Pesach funds? More, what is this economy? How far can the Korban Pesach funds go? Trading has a place, within reason.
Pesachim 89: No Semikhah for Women 18.02.2021 23:50
What if the Korban Pesachs were jumbled, and one of them was rendered problematic. Now what? A "residual korban" might be a good solution, though how that would work is also a good question. Also, the laying on of hands for the korban, a distinction between the Korban Pesach and a korban shelamim (for men, anyway). Also, when a father apportions the Korban Pesach to "the child who gets to Jerusale...
Pesachim 88: Who Tells the Story 17.02.2021 23:09
The dates in Babylonia - a matter of perspective on how they influenced the Jews' study of Torah there. Also, more on the discussion of who can bring a Korban Pesach on behalf of someone else, in particular the woman who is a wife and daughter. Here, on children and slaves, as well. Also, more on the case of one who is half a slave and half a freed man. Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai on this person'...
Pesachim 87: Taking Comfort in Babylonia 16.02.2021 22:02
When a married woman eats from her husband's Korban Pesach, and when from her father's Korban Pesach. Likewise, how an orphan eats from a guardian's Korban Pesach, and a jointly-owned slave, or a partially-freed slave. [Who's Who/What's What: Hoshea and Trei Asar] Recounting Hoshea's narrative, and his repentance, and God's rebuke to him... and the promise of redemption. Also, the experience of th...
Pesachim 86: Upstairs Downstairs 15.02.2021 22:23
We're the rooftops in Jerusalem, or even the Beit HaMikdash, considered holy? With implications for where one can eat the Korban Pesach. The discussion raises the question of how the Beit HaMikdash is a building. Also, a new mishnah on the actual group meal of the Korban Pesach, when two different groups are crowded in one room, where they'd face away from each other. A waiter traveled between the...
Pesachim 85: The 'Lepers' at the Gateways of Jerusalem 14.02.2021 19:23
A new factor in the permissibility of th Korban Pesach: What happens if the meat is taken out of the boundaries where it's supposed to be? Is that rendered impure by rabbinic decree? Plus, what does moving it out entail? How much is parallel to the laws of carrying on Shabbat? Also, what happens if a limb leaves the boundary... where you then can't break the bone? As compared to other korbanot, wh...
Pesachim 84: The Whole-Animal Approach 13.02.2021 17:20
Even those parts of a young ox that are edible because of its immaturity, which are not edible in an adult ox, are not permitted. The question is whether you can or cannot register to eat one of those parts of the Korban Pesach. That's a dispute of R. Yochanan and Resh Lakish -- which is revisited by the subsequent Amoraim, and Ravin and R. Abahu finish off the machloket (in favor of Resh Lakish)....
Pesachim 83: Burning Down the Bones 12.02.2021 25:05
What do you do with the bones of the Korban Pesach? The mishnah says to burn them on the day after the day of eating the Korban Pesach, with any "notar" (leftover) - the question is why they are being burned, when only that which is edible is supposed to be burned. Also, that burning is shifted to the 17th of Nisan if the 16th is Shabbat (in which Anne and Yardaena think this deferral is sensible...
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