Yardaena Osband & Anne Gordon
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Ketubot 89: Why We Want Paperwork 03.10.2022 18:57
A new mishnah - a case of a woman who has her get, but has not yet received her ketubah. She's entitled to it, and he can't just claim he already paid it, at least not without taking an oath. Plus, a pruzbol situation. Note that in the "time of danger," when there were decrees against mitzvot, the Jews would destroy the documents, and being able to procure them became obsolete, during that time. A...
Ketubot 88: He Said, She Said (or He Said, or They Said) 02.10.2022 17:23
More on how a woman collects her ketubah. And more on when she's collecting from a property with a lien on it, in comparison to orphans who collect their inheritance from property with a lien on it - by taking an oath. Plus, how loans are parallel cases in terms of taking an oath - how should such an oath be formulated? Also, analyzing R. Shimon's position from the mishnah, with parallels to the d...
Ketubot 87: Divorce Court (as it were) 01.10.2022 18:18
What if a woman needs to take an oath to receive her ketubah? What if the husband stipulates that she'll never need to take an oath? And what do you do if you need to collect the debt from a case where no oath is possible? Especially if orphans are involved. Plus, when a woman gets a partial payment, for example, who is then responsible for proving either she is still owed more or that she is not?...
Ketubot 86: Forcing a Debtor to Pay Up 30.09.2022 17:26
NOTE: If you count the pages of daf yomi, today is daf 1,000 in this cycle (if you count the days, the count didn't work as smoothly, go figure - assuming it's our (Anne's) human error. || Ameimar issues a ruling on a man paying his debts - who gets land, who gets money, when he owes both a creditor and the payment of a ketubah? What if funds are not available? Plus, 2 mishnayot: when a husband ca...
Ketubot 85: To the Rightful Owner 29.09.2022 17:14
How do we establish ownership of property? Consider a good number of cases demonstrating practical financial law -- and precedent. Including what happens when one party is considered unreliable with regard to oaths. Note the role of the daughter of R. Hisda (wife of Rava). Plus, the weight of a judge's assessment. Also, cases of no designated heir, where it's surprising that the person who died ha...
Ketubot 84: When the Sages Disagree (Whom Do We Follow?) 28.09.2022 19:55
A new mishnah: what happens when a person dies and several people have claims on his money - whose claim is met first? Also, how the sages who debate the above the question accept or prioritize each other's views - with R. Tarfon and R. Akiva as the case in point.
Ketubot 83: A Cucumber Is Better Than a Gourd 27.09.2022 18:50
[Shanah tovah! This episode is for Tuesday, September 27, the second day of Rosh Hashanah] A new chapter! Can you relinquish something that is your right to own? Specifically, can a husband recuse himself, as it were, from his wife's property? Or does it remain his for the produce of it, as those are the Torah's terms? Plus, whoever owns the given document is at a disadvantage - to what extent doe...
Ketubot 82: The Day Resh Lakish Tweaked the Mishnah 27.09.2022 18:16
[Shanah tovah! This episode is for Monday, September 25, the first day of Rosh Hashanah] More connections between yibum and the granting of a woman's ketubah, and other property considerations, as the yavam technically gets his hands on the property of the dead brother. Plus, a question how the yavam can come into control of her property - isn't it hers? Resh Lakish responds definitively that, yes...
Ketubot 81: Mishnaic Good Advice 27.09.2022 25:27
[Shanah tovah! This episode is for Sunday, September 25, Erev Rosh Hashanah] Who said halakhot were to be derived from the language of the ketubah? The mishnah connects the ketubah issues to that of sotah - the case of a woman suspected of adultery. The comparison leads to a dispute between Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai, regarding the terms of one's ketubah. Also, the question of whether a yevamah...
Ketubot 80: A Deep-Dive into Eating 24.09.2022 19:27
How much food counts as "eating"? In terms of getting benefit from the property. What if one's animals eat? Also, back to husbands and wives and shared property - when it's worked by sharecroppers. Plus, a mishnah about a woman awaiting yibum, and in the interim, she inherits property. Who has the right to it?
Ketubot 79: Hiding Property in Plain Sight 23.09.2022 20:34
A woman on the verge of the second marriage who wants to keep her property from the clutches, as it were, of the new husband, and makes a gift of it to her unmarried daughter. Then the daughter gets married, the stuff goes to the husband, the daughter gets divorced, and the mother wants her property back. Can she get it back? R. Nachman tears up the document establishing the gift to the daughter....
Ketubot 78: He Gets the Fruits of Her Property 22.09.2022 15:22
Chapter 8! With a new mishnah, of course. On usufruct property that a wife brings into the marriage, and the husband has the right of the produce of the property. For example, when a woman inherits prior to her betrothal. But what happens if she's already betrothed? It's a machloket between Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai. Plus, an expressed discomfort with the halakhah as it's determined here. Plus,...
Ketubot 77: A Chat between God and the Angel of Death 21.09.2022 23:22
3 mishnayot on the daf! The first continues the discussion of blemishes - this time, if the husband develops blemishes, and a possible distinction between major and minor blemishes. Plus, description of an illness, and how they dealt with contagion and efforts at prevention, via both medical and spiritual efforts. Also, the story of R. Yehoshua Ben Levi, and his encounter with the Angel of Death....
Ketubot 76: The Case of the Extra Toe 20.09.2022 18:29
More on the blemishes. Noting that people with blemishes did indeed get married - even when there was knowledge of them in advance. Plus, some classic Gemara discussion and logic on a husband's claim regarding a preexisting blemish, and why preexisting alone doesn't decide the case. Also, the transactional basis of these marriages - and two parallel cases to them: 1. Transferring ownership of anim...
Ketubot 75: Women on Display 19.09.2022 19:43
Physical blemishes that can negate a betrothal - parallel to those of the kohanim and service in the Beit HaMikdash. Which is itself parallel, to some degree, to the animals that are disqualified from being offered as sacrifices. Including - for the woman - sweat, bad breath, moles, a large gap between her breasts, or larger breasts to begin with. Also, a mishnah on these blemishes and when they i...
Ketubot 74: The Doctor and the Wise One 18.09.2022 16:57
How betrothal is brought into effect in expected (a ring) and unexpected ways - the benefit of forgiving a loan. Plus, the impact of sexual intimacy on the need for divorce. Also, the role of nedarim or blemishes as conditions in the betrothal. Which is where the chacham, a wise scholar, and a doctor might get involved to change the facts on the ground. Plus, protecting the integrity of the get.
Ketubot 73: When Is a Marriage a Marriage? 17.09.2022 22:48
A machloket between Rav and Shmuel on the previous mishnah: whether a conditional betrothal requires a get if the condition is not met. And the ramifications of those different approaches. Plus, several cases where it would seem clear that a get is not warranted - but that a get is required nonetheless. Possibly at a rabbinic level of requirement, which seems particularly difficult, as compared to...
Ketubot 72: The Hair-Covering Daf 16.09.2022 20:18
A mishnah on the practices of Dat Moshe and Dat Yehudit, and defining them by their practices, in the context of a woman who violates either category, and can then be divorced with her ketubah. Also, another mishnah! Conditional betrothal, and the ramifications when the conditions are not met.
Ketubot 71: "Place a Finger between Her Teeth" 15.09.2022 21:31
A puzzle of language. In the context of a discussion about the husband who vows in such a way that his wife is sworn off something to such a degree, and in an unspecified way, that they are supposed to divorce and she gets her ketubah. Namely, the idiom that kicks the oath into effect... Also, a new mishnah! On other vows that the husband might make for his wife - when the vow stands, for how long...
Ketubot 70: Absurd, Outlandish Vows and the Third-party Loopholes around Them 14.09.2022 21:05
A new chapter, a new mishnah! If a man takes a vow that his wife won't get any benefit from him, they divorce and she gets the ketubah - with some dispute over the time frame. Likewise, if he swears her off eating from produce, they divorce, she gets the ketubah, and there's dispute over the timeframe. Likewise, a case where he swears her off adornment or perfume. Also, various parallel cases (Git...
Ketubot 69: Last of the Tannaim, First of the Amoraim 13.09.2022 25:23
A dispute and conversation between R. Yehudah HaNasi and Rav on the inheritance and transference of property - with an eye to dowries. Also, the right of a daughter to receive the dowry from the estate when she marries - is she an heir? Or is she a creditor? Plus, another story between R. Huna and a letter - on inheritance from elsewhere. And one final mishnah - using a third party to pay his daug...
Ketubot 68: You Don't Have to Be Homeless to Need Help 12.09.2022 20:05
The discussion of charity begins in Pe'ah, with a focus on how poor one must be to receive tzedakah, when the expectation is that one downgrade, and when one doesn't have to go that far. Plus, an underage girl who is married off by her mother or brothers can come back and collect the funds from her respective family members. Also, financial advisories for those who don't have money, but live as if...
Ketubot 67: Buffet's Giving Pledge and Talmudic Tzedakah 11.09.2022 24:26
A husband's requirement to provide clothing for his wife, even when her father has written her off. Also, stories illustrating these issues. Including those of Mar Ukva, plus [Who's Who: Mar Ukva] With a focus on inheritance, and how to do so in a dignified way.
Ketubot 66: Why a Wife's Humiliation Shames Her Husband 10.09.2022 25:49
A new chapter! A new mishnah! Which provides the text of the "equation" for what each spouse owes the other, including what funds paying back humiliation might come directly to the woman. Except that R. Yehudah Ben Beteira revises that position wholly. Which opens a good deal of discussion in the Gemara. Plus, a variety of humiliating practices that lead to compensatory payment. Also, adding condi...
Ketubot 65: Real Wives of Abaye and Rava 09.09.2022 24:37
To what extent do the provisions for a woman include wine? The answer seems to depend on whether she's accustomed to drinking wine - clearly, some women did drink and others did not. The implications of "too many" cups of wine for her behavior are presented rather dramatically. Plus, a story of Homa, Abaye's widow, who puts in the request with Rava for her wine, even though her husband wasn't accu...
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