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The Gemara does a deep dive on Beit Shammai’s opinion that for Kiddushin to take place with money it must be at a value of at least a dinar. Several opinions are offered to help understand Beit Shammai’s reasoning.

Investigating the precise moment that sexual intercourse functions as betrothal. With practical implications. Also, a story of terumah and chuppah. [Who's Who: Yochanan Ben Bag Bag] Plus, the modesty of clear language and addressing difficult (sexual) topics directly.

More interesting cases - to illustrate the halakhah. How far do they go toward kiddushin? (Spoiler: Not kiddushin). Plus, kiddushin with a shtar/document. Note - it's not worth even a perutah, nor is it a bill of sale, in that it comes from the woman's husband-to-be, and not her father (or herself, once she's an adult). Note the requirement for consent. Also, does the document need to be written f...

Betrothal with money has to be with something that has a clearly defined value. With a parallel to pidyon haben - redemption which also needs to be of a certain value. Also, what happens if the woman takes the money a man offers her for kiddushin and she destroys the money? Is that rejection of kiddushin, or is it too late? Or does she owe him the funds? [NOTE: If the second part of today's daf so...

A series of cases of possibly effective kiddushin, and the effect of the formal act of acquisition (kinyan). What does it mean that marriage is effected through an act of acquisition (as one buys property). Also, what happens if the man offers to betroth the woman in parts, with half of the money equivalent to a perutah? Half of this coin for half of you, and vice versa. Does it count for kiddushi...

Other formulations that may or may not work for betrothal. What if the couple is talking about betrothal? Is that enough to betroth her? Also, the case of one who wants to betroth a woman with the money he's already lent her. Or the benefit of that loan.

Can each of these three ways of betrothal imply the others? Or can any two imply the third? Or do we need all three of them stated explicitly? Also, what about chuppah? Shouldn't it work to bring about a betrothal? The Gemara works out why not. Plus, the actual process of betrothal via "money."

Honing in on the language, specifically with regard to a girl's coming to physical majority. Plus, the question of superfluous words - with regard to letting a slave (or maidservant) go free. Also, investigating the source of betrothal taking place with money - is it logic or is it a verse?

The use of "derekh" - ways - in the mishnah, and a probe into why this term and not another. With parallel cases with a "zav" and an "etrog." What do the explicit cases (3 and 2 ways that a woman comes in or out of marriage) come to exclude? Plus, an investigation into the money that is used for betrothal. And the move from under her father's auspices.

Embarking on the new relationship, with the new tractate, as it is established by a transactional arrangements. The mishnah begins with the formal act of acquisition can be accomplished in one of three ways: money, contract, or sexual intercourse. The mishnah also outlines how she goes free from that bond too. Considering the rationale behind this kind of take on marriage, and the sense of it with...

A new mishnah on this last daf! Specifically, under what circumstances is a husband allowed to divorce his wife - of course, a machloket, this time, between Beit Shammai, Beit Hillel, and Rabbi Akiva (based on interpreting a verse). Plus, 4 ways to understand the word, "ki," in the biblical text. Also, ending the tractate with the full emotions of divorce - in sorrow and some measure or regret - a...

When rumours about a woman's conduct abound - when would she need to be divorced? How do we investigate rumors?

More on signatures on a get on the wrong place. Plus, a verse referring to the Children of Israel being long in the world - 3 generations. Also, another aggadah - about the number of generations before the destruction of the Temple (based on the list of Jewish kings who did some form of idolatry), which is understood to be 7. Also, 2 mishnayot, one about when a forced get is acceptable and one abo...

More on a joint get, where the date per divorce may make the difference (a dispute between Resh Lakish and R. Yochanan). Plus, a new mishnah - what happens if the signatures of the witnesses are in both Hebrew and Greek, under different sides of the get, in different orders, because of the different directions of the languages (dispute between Rashi and Rambam). Also, another mishnah, where the wi...

2 mishnayot bookend this daf, with some "end of the tractate" outlandish cases: 3 types of gittin that are not good, but they are good enough to prevent children from a future marriage from being mamzerim. Basically, when the text is lacking in some way. Plus, why witnesses sign a get - namely, to prevent the husband from denying the get, for example. Also, the Gemara attempts to determi...

A mishnah with the case of a husband who gives his wife a get with a stipulation that she will be divorced as long as you doesn't go on to marry someone she isn't allowed to marry anyway (her father, his father, and so on). Plus, a case of a husband who gives his wife a get with the stipulation that she doesn't marry someone where the marriage would take hold, but it's still prohib...

More other conditions that a husband might stipulate in a bill of divorce - for example, if he stipulates that she now marry another specific man -- then the divorce will take effect. But does that work? Or what if the condition is something that isn't humanly possible? Or on condition that she do a sin against the Torah? Also, what about when the condition is written into the get? Isn't t...

After R. Eliezer died, 4 sages (Tannaim, of course) went to refute his statement with regard to divorce stipulations, each one in turn. Plus, all of the developments of the discussion in their wake, including issues of kehunah, and more, specifically because of concerns that the marital bond remained extant. NOTE: In a first for Talking Talmud, rather than the usual conversation or tag-team, Yarda...

Chapter 9! A new mishnah - a divorce with the vocabulary of "ehla" - permitted to any man, but rather except... But doesn't that language stipulate a condition, in which case, how do they proceed? Is it a get on condition that she can't marry someone specific? Or does it specify whom she can marry?? A parallel case of "negaim" - house tzara'at - can help explain this "ehla." Also, betrothal with t...

A mishnah: A man writes a bill of divorce for his wife and then changes his mind - to what extent does that initial writing have impact in her availability to a kohen, say, in the event that he then died, and she wanted to remarry as a widow. Plus, the narrative of such a case... Also, another mishnah: Does a couple that is getting divorced need a second get if they stayed together in an inn? Plus...

A long mishnah (or a series that are published together): If a get is written with a name of a place that is not legitimate... Or other goofs in location... If other details are wrong... When is the get not a get? Plus, how a get that is not a get can really mess up a second marriage, and children from the second marriage. Plus, co-wives are treated like the divorcing woman too. Also, a deeper div...

A woman who stands on top of the roof and her husband throws the get to her - under what terms is she divorced, and when is she not? Plus, the connection to space, as per Eruvin, and Shabbat in general -- and does the domain have impact on whether the divorce is a divorce. Also, a new mishnah: when one wrote a get long advance - usable or not?

2 mishnayot: If a husband says his wife should take a promissory note from him, it's fundamentally a get, but it won't actually function to divorce her. If she comes across it, or she discovers it, it doesn't count. If he's sleeping, and has the get, all the more so, it's not being given to her... Though there are exceptional cases. Also, if the husband throws the get to his wife, the question of...

The phrasing of one who tells others to write a get for his wife if he doesn't return by a date certain - unclear whether that can be a kosher get. Plus, noting how precise this timing really is. Also, a new mishnah in the new chapter: one who throws the bill of divorce to his wife and it lands next to her - whether she's divorced may depend on where she is (her courtyard, yes; his courtyard, no)....

More on conditional divorce. Specifically, that the woman should do things for others. Plus combined conditions with witnesses. Also, a condition with regard to the time it takes a husband to return home... the condition is cancelled. Plus, the geography of Israel, north and south. Also, a new mishnah -a new condition - if he doesn't come back by the end of their time, or if he died before the con...