Square Notes: The Sacred Music Podcast
Square Notes: The Sacred Music Podcast
You've got questions about sacred music? Here's your chance to learn what the Church teaches and envisions for music in the sacred liturgy. Welcome to Square Notes: The Sacred Music Podcast with your host Dr. Jennifer Donelson-Nowicka. We address topics of interest both to priests and liturgical musicians, as well as a general audience of Catholics interested in learning more about the Catholic Church's teachings and treasury of sacred music. Our topics range from discussion of Church documents on sacred music, to the music of certain composers or eras, Gregorian chant, the role of music in Ca...
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Jun 29, 2026
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SE03 EP11 – The Origins of Gregorian Chant: The Roman Schola Cantorum and Old Roman Chant – with Dr. Joseph Dyer 02.05.2021 42:16
Eminent chant scholar, Dr. Joseph Dyer, explains the Roman origins of Gregorian chant, the role of the Roman Schola Cantorum in the development of Roman chant, and what happened to that chant once it interacted with Franco-Gallican chant to become Gregorian chant. Join us for an episode which brings clarity to a complex history, and helps us better understand the roots of our Catholic sacred music...
SE03 EP10 – Sergei Rachmaninoff and the Sounds of Russian Orthodoxy – with Dr. Richard Fountain 18.04.2021 49:37
We venture east in this episode for a look at Russian Orthodox music that impacted the life and compositions of Sergei Rachmaninoff (1873-1943). Dr. Richard Fountain, professor of piano at Wayland Baptist University and convert to Eastern Orthodoxy, shares with us some of his insights into Rachmaninoff's piano works and his compositions for the Divine Liturgy. Visit Dr. Fountain's webpage here: ht...
SE03 EP09 - Liturgical Changes in Tudor England: Thomas Tallis' Stable Position – with Dr. Kerry McCarthy 17.04.2021 51:17
Join us for a guided tour through the liturgical changes of Reformation-era England through the lens of the composer Thomas Tallis. Our guest, Dr. Kerry McCarthy, offers a look at the challenges these times posed for musicians, for Catholics, and for the modern scholar studying them today. Buy Dr. McCarthy's book here: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/tallis-9780190635213?cc=us&lang=en& L...
SE03 EP08 – Pius X School of Liturgical Music: A Snapshot of Sacred Music Education in America – with Dr. Francis Brancaleone 10.04.2021 42:08
What was sacred music in America like in the mid-20th century? Dr. Francis Brancaleone, former head of the department of music at Manhattanville College, shares with us his experience as a boy being educated in the Palestrina Institute of Liturgical Music in Detroit, and his research in the history of the remarkable Pius X School of Liturgical Music at Manhattanville College in New York. Read mor...
SE03 EP07 - Modality in Gregorian Chant - with Dr. William Mahrt 27.03.2021 47:22
Do some aspects of the meaning in Gregorian chant seem difficult to understand? Join us as we take a look an approach to understanding the chant through understanding the music theory it's built on. Our guest today is Dr. William Mahrt of Stanford University. A few handouts for this episode are available here: https://sacredmusicpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Table-of-Modes.pdf https://sa...
SE03 EP06 – Dominican Chant – with Fr. Innocent Smith, O.P. 24.12.2020 44:29
Join us for our Christmas special, highlighting chants of the Christmas midnight Mass with Dominican rite and chant expert, Fr. Innocent Smith, O.P. Innocent Smith, O.P., is a doctoral student in Liturgical Studies at the Universität Regensburg and is an associate member of DFG Research Group Metropolität in der Vormoderne. His research interests are at the intersection of liturgy and theology, i...
SE03 EP05 – Swimming the Thames and the Tiber – with Dr. Jay Hershberger 12.12.2020 34:55
Dr. Jay Hershberger joins us to share the story of his conversion to the Catholic faith by way of the Anglo-catholic tradition. We also discuss his work in developing the sacred music program at the Cathedral of St. Mary in Fargo, North Dakota. Learn more about Dr. Hershberger here: https://www.concordiacollege.edu/directories/faculty-staff/details/dr-jay-a-hershberger/ View Dr. Hershberger's You...
SE03 EP04 – Music of the Ordinariate – with Fr. James Bradley 05.12.2020 39:04
Fr. James Bradley, J.C.D., an Assistant Professor of Canon Law at The Catholic University of America and priest of the Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham, joins us to discuss his musical upbringing in the church of England and his conversion to Catholicism. Possessing a masterful knowledge of canon law, the sacred liturgy, and sacred music, he shares his thoughts about musical gems fro...
SE03 EP03 – Motets – with Dr. Aaron James 29.11.2020 43:28
What is a motet? Where did this musical genre come from? What has the word "motet" meant throughout history? What can motets of the past teach us about incorporating non-obligatory texts into the sacred liturgy? How can the music and texts of motets make the other texts of the Mass, especially those of the lectionary, come to life? We explore these questions with Dr. Aaron James, the Director of M...
SE03 EP02 - Growing up Catholic in China and Musical Life in the Church in China – with His Eminence Joseph Cardinal Zen 25.11.2020 45:18
A brave man and heroic witness for the freedom and rights of the Church in China and Hong Kong, His Eminence, Joseph Cardinal Zen, joins us for a discussion about music while growing up in Shanghai, in his formation as a Salesian, and in seminaries in China.
SE03 EP01 – Sanctity, Beauty, and Universality in Modern Sacred Music – with Sir James MacMillan 12.09.2020 45:09
One of the most prominent composers of our time, Sir James MacMillan has written for concert hall and stage as well as for the Church. A devoted Catholic, Sir James joins us for the opening of season three to discuss transcendence, beauty, spirituality, and universality in music, particularly focusing on the ability of music to speak to Catholics and non-Catholics alike. Check out Boosey & Hawkes'...
SE02 EP18 – 7000+ Hours of Gregorian Chant – Behind the Scenes at the Neumz Project – with John Anderson & Alberto Díaz-Blanco 30.06.2020 23:20
The largest recording project in history is coming to life in an excellent new app for sacred musicians and those wishing to learn to pray and sing Gregorian chant in the Mass and Divine Office. In this episode we dive into the story of the monastery, the singing of the nuns at Notre Dame de Fidélité in Jouques, France, their sister monastery in Bénin, and the exciting new Neumz project with two o...
SE02 EP19 – Where Do I Start? A Pastoral Plan for Changing a Parish Music Program - with Dr. Mary Jane Ballou 30.06.2020 33:28
Is there an opportunity for improvement in your parish music program? Has there been a change in personnel, circumstances, or resources that makes growth possible? Perhaps the COVID-19 pandemic has presented possibilities for progress. Maybe you are looking at how to introduce the proper chants into a parish Mass, improve the hymnody used, or build the choral program. How does one make changes in...
SE02 EP17 – Sacred Music as a Vital Part of Parish Life and Fellowship – Roundtable with Mary Ann Carr Wilson, Charles Cole, and Fr. Robert Pasley 07.06.2020 25:44
In our first roundtable discussion on sacred music we talk with experienced church musicians and CMAA chaplain, Fr. Robert Pasley, about fostering community in parish life through building up sacred music programs. Charles Cole's Website: https://charlescole.com Mary Ann Carr Wilson's Website: http://www.maryanncarr.com/index.html Church Music Association of America's Website: https://musicasacr...
Bonus Episode 5 – Introduction to the Organ for Pianists – with Dr. Crista Miller 05.06.2020 33:19
Learn some tips and tricks to orient yourself along the journey from pianist-only, to organist-as-well. Dr. Crista Miller, Director of Music and Cathedral Organist at the Co-cathedral of the Sacred Heart in Houston, discusses differences in technique between the two instruments, learning to pedal, figuring out registration, and some great beginning repertoire. For more information about her summer...
Bonus Episode 4 – 40+ (Mostly Free) Resources for Making Excellent Sacred Music in a Time of Restrictions 30.05.2020 17:49
Are you a music director looking for ideas about what to do whilst there are restrictions on sacred music put in place in response to the COVID-19 pandemic? Check out this episode. It's not for the casual listener, and we don't go into any virology or epidemiology, but for the music director in search of music to sing and play when faced with limitations, we hope you'll find this helpful. For a li...
BONUS Episode 3 – The Top 5 Misconceptions about Music at Mass (Part I: nos. 1 and 2) – with Dr. Jennifer Donelson-Nowicka 26.05.2020 34:46
What are the top five things that people don't understand when it comes to sacred music? In this first part of a two-part episode, we take time to give a substantive response to what many Catholics might not know or don't get right about music for the sacred liturgy. We look at liturgical and philosophical principles that have been fleshed out through the centuries as the Church has guided musicia...
SE02 EP16 – "Lord, Teach Us to Pray:" The Spiritual Fruits of Obedience in Matters Liturgical – with Dom Alcuin Reid, OSB 24.05.2020 29:07
On this episode, we discuss matters of liturgical formation, both for musicians, as well as for those we serve. Dom Alcuin Reid is the founding Prior of the Monastère Saint-Benoît in the diocese of Fréjus-Toulon, France, and a liturgical scholar of international renown. His principle work, The Organic Development of the Liturgy (Ignatius Press, 2005) carries a preface by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger....
Bonus Episode 2 – Teaching Gregorian Chant to Children: A Look at the Ward Method 22.05.2020 37:05
Are you looking for an authentically Catholic curriculum and method for teaching music to children? Something that's practical, fun, and helps children to grow in love of the Church's sacred music? This bonus episode looks at the history of the development of the Ward method, its underlying educational principles, its place in Catholic education, and the experience both of those who learn to teach...
SE02 EP15 – A Catholic Portrait of Abbé Franz Liszt – with Dr. Jay Hershberger 17.05.2020 33:44
Franz Liszt, haunted by the spectre of God's grace, was never able to fully shake off his Catholic faith. Our guest, Dr. Jay Hershberger, the president of the American Liszt Society, shares with us a Catholic portrait of the pianist and composer's life, highlighting his story of conversion, his later years in fervent practice of his faith, his compositions about various Catholic topics and music f...
SE02 EP14 – From Ragas to Responsories: A Hindu Becomes a Catholic Priest – with Fr. Gaurav Shroff 10.05.2020 32:29
An opinion piece published in the New York Times on May 8, 2020, entitled " Christianity Gets Weird ," highlights for readers the attraction of beauty and mystery for the young, and how that attraction leads to an embrace of the Faith, even in spite of (perhaps because of!) the countercultural nature of it all. This interview with Fr. Gaurav Shroff, a priest of the archdiocese of Atlanta, is likew...
Bonus Episode 1 – Conducting and Group Vocal Tips for the Parish Music Director – with Dr. Timothy McDonnell 08.05.2020 51:56
Our first-ever bonus episode—outside our normal publication schedule and a more extended conversation than our normal episodes—features a conversation with Dr. Timothy McDonnell of Catholic University in America. Looking at the near-term future of music making in the Church, our conversation presents music directors with ideas that they can implement to improve their skills in conducting, vocal pe...
SE02 EP13 – Pope Pius X's Motu Proprio on Sacred Music – with Dr. Susan Treacy 04.05.2020 41:45
Join us for an episode which sets the stage for a deeper understanding of the principles in Pope Pius X's 1903 motu proprio Tra le Sollecitudini . We'll take a look at the musical scene in which the motu proprio appeared and the evolution of the document, as well as provide an overview of the structure and decrees of the document. Our guest is Dr. Susan Treacy, a convert to the Catholic faith, an...
SE02 EP12 – The Hows and Whys of Illuminated Chant Manuscripts – with Elizabeth Lemme 27.04.2020 29:24
How did medieval monks create illuminated manuscripts? What's behind the symbolism in all their visual elements? Why were they an important part of the monk's life and work? What do they have to do with my prayer life and understanding of sacred music now? Find out the answers to these and other questions in this episode with Mrs. Elizabeth Lemme of Pelican Printery House as she shares with us a l...
SE02 EP11 – William Byrd, English Catholic Composer and Recusant – with Dr. Kerry McCarthy 19.04.2020 34:04
Have you ever wondered what it was like to be a Catholic musician under the reigns of King Henry VIII and Queen Elizabeth I? Are you interested in learning more about what makes Tudor era polyphony tick, or how Byrd's music evolved throughout his life? Take a deep dive on the music and life of composer William Byrd with our guest, renowned expert on these topics, Dr. Kerry McCarthy. Read Dr. McC...
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