Chris Shelton

Speaking of Cults

Speaking of Cults is the podcast all about cults, from their anatomy to recovery from the experience. Join host and cult survivor Chris Shelton and his guests as they explore coercive control, how predators operate at all levels in our society, how to spot them and how to recover.

Author

Chris Shelton

Category

Education

Podcast website

www.speakingofcults.com

Latest episode

Jul 11, 2026

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Episodes

Speaking of Cults...The Rise and Fall of the Exclusive Brethren 10.01.2026

This week I welcome Cheryl Hope and Richard Marsh from the Get a Life Podcast to discuss the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church (formerly Exclusive Brethren), a religion/business group with a fascinating background and even more wild structure which survives to this day through the Hales family in Australia. Cheryl and Richard have quite a bit to share about this. Enjoy! Get a Life Podcast:  ⁨@get...

Speaking of Cults...How Body Language Experts Fool You with Zach Elwood 03.01.2026

We are now back for 2026. This week I welcome back Zach Elwood to discuss so-called "body language experts" and the pseudoscience they push as "infotainment" which actually creates a pretty skewed idea of how people work and what deceptive behavior is all about. We cover a lot in a little bit of time. Enjoy! Zach's YouTube:  ⁨@PeopleWhoReadPeoplepodcast⁩  Munecat video: https://youtu.be/Y0VQyEY-B2...

Speaking of Cults...The Mormon/Scientology Connection with Mitch Brisker 13.12.2025

This week I welcome ex-Scientologist Mitch Brisker to discuss his many and varied experiences in dealing with David Miscavige, the leader of Scientology, and how he would be sent to Utah to learn from the Mormons how to produce and present Scientology better to the world. We talk about a lot of things in this podcast around this, including Scientology's future. Enjoy!

Speaking of Cults...Restarting After a Cult with Rachel Bernstein 06.12.2025

This week I welcome back therapist and author Rachel Bernstein to discuss her newly released workbook on cult recovery, titled Restart and Restore. We go over what this workbook is useful for and cult recovery in general and cover a surprising amount of territory for such a short show. Enjoy! Rachel's website: https://rachelbernsteintherapy.com Rachel's new book: https://www.amazon.com/Restart-Res...

Speaking of Cults...What's the Deal with MAGA Christians? with Jennie Gage 29.11.2025

This week I welcome back Jennie Gage, creator of Life Take Two on YouTube and a former Mormon MAGA tradwife who has been helping explain that world to us. We cover a lot more territory this week and I think you'll find it very relevant to some of the social insanity that has overtaken the US in the last decade. Jennie's channel:  @lifetaketwo7662 

Speaking of Cults...The Honor Trap in Scientology 22.11.2025

This week I welcome back Jon Atack to help me dissect the Code of Honor, one of Scientology's earliest and most successful attempts to undermine people's sense of agency and morality. Enjoy! Jon's channel:  ⁨@jonatackfamilyfriends6176⁩ 

Speaking of Cults...Scientology Inside and Out with Patty Moher 15.11.2025

This week I welcome Patty Moher, a former Scientologist staffer and kind of amazing person to talk to. We had a great chat about all things Scientology and I hope you'll enjoy it as much as we did.

Speaking of Cults - Mormonism's Violent Legacy 01.11.2025

This week I welcome back Bryce Blankenangel and Shannon Grover for another deep dive into Mormon history and culture, this time digging into a truly horrifying piece of history known as the Meadows Mountain Massacre. This is a bit tough of a listen in places but I think a very good show and I appreciate my guests broad knowledge on this topic. Glassbox podcast: https://glassboxpodcast.com

Speaking of Cults...Journalism and Reporting on Scientology with Tony Ortega 25.10.2025

This week I welcome journalist Tony Ortega to discuss his career, his interest in Scientology and get his perspective on issues related to the church and its leadership. Enjoy! Tony's Substack: https://tonyortega.substack.org Unbreakable Miss Lovely: https://shorturl.at/lKYPw

Speaking of Cults...Scientology, Nazis and the REM Model with Jon Atack 18.10.2025

This week I welcome back Jon Atack to discuss his new book about the common origins of Naziism and Scientology, and then go deep into the REM Model of Human Behavior which I created and how that explains so much of what Hubbard was about, as well as how to undo cultic manipulations. Enjoy!

Speaking of Cults...Chase Hughes and the NLP Grift with Zach Elwood 11.10.2025

This week I welcome Zach Elwood, host of the People Who Read People podcast and a very fun guest to discuss the entrepreneurship of influence that is quite popular on social media these days especially as personified by Chase Hughes. Zach discusses his history with NLP and we talk deeply about the consequences of these practices. Enjoy! Zach's channel:  ⁨@PeopleWhoReadPeoplepodcast⁩ 

Speaking of Cults...The Religion/MAGA Connection with Jennie Gage 04.10.2025

This week I welcome Jennie Gage, an ex-Mormon/MAGA/trad wife who has a story to tell about her upbringing in the Mormon world, how she was literally trafficked before escaping into abject poverty to rebuild her life from scratch. As part of this, we go deep into the MAGA/Evangelical mindset, since there are such whopping contradictions between what Christian Nationalists say and what they do that...

Speaking of Cults...Growing Up a Witness with Bethany Leger 27.09.2025

This week I welcome Bethany Leger, host of the Stop the Shunning podcast and a former member of the Jehovah's Witnesses. She has a few interesting twists in her childhood growing up in the JWs and we had a lot to discuss in recovering from the cult experience. Bethany's channel: https://youtube.com/stoptheshunning⁩ 

Speaking of Cults...Let's Talk Cult Recovery with Michael Shemwell 20.09.2025

This week I welcome Michael Shemwell, host of the Shunned podcast and a former member of the Jehovah's Witnesses. We met while filming the Jubilee production about cults and here discuss our mutual experiences and the ups and downs of cult recovery. Michael's podcast: https://shunnedpodcast.com

The Problems of Growing Up in Scientology with Pamela Williams 13.09.2025

This week I welcome back Pamela Nickel Williams, whose new memoir about her time growing up in and around Scientology has now been released. Pam has quite a story to tell and I hope you'll give it a look. Pamela's Website: https://clearlyliesaretrue.com

Speaking of Cults...The Occult Roots of Nazism and Scientology 06.09.2025

This week I welcome back podcast favorite Jon Atack to discuss his brand-new book, "If Scientology Ruled the World: Nazi Occultists, Sex Magick, Space Aliens, and the Second Coming." This book is as wild as it sounds and uncovers some things I can almost guarantee you have never heard or seen before regarding the common origin story of the Nazi's Aryan race theory and Hubbard's ideas about body th...

Speaking of Cults...The Secret History of the Mormon Church 30.08.2025

This week I welcome back Bryce Blankenagel and Shannon Grover to discuss events the Mormon Church would rather you don't know about. There's a lot and we only scratch the surface in this episode. Enjoy! Bryce and Shannon's podcast: https://glassboxpodcast.com Note: this podcast had an audio issue and had to be re-uploaded. Sorry for any confusion about that.

Speaking of Cults...The Cult Foundations of the United States ft. Jane Borden 23.08.2025

This week I welcome author Jane Borden, who recently published Cults Like US about the cult roots of American society and how these have perpetuated to this day in many of the moral and social values we take for granted or just don't think about too much. We have a lot of food for thought for you in this one. Enjoy! Jane Borden's website: https://janeborden.com

Speaking of Cults...Why Smart People do Dumb Things (REM Model again) 16.08.2025

This week I am revisiting the REM Model (TM) and discussing more real-world examples of how it might be used to help figure out or understand ourselves and other people and why we do some of the crazy stuff we do. Enjoy!

Speaking of Cults...Why Diddy Got Away With It 09.08.2025

In this week's shorter-than-usual podcast, I give a full rundown on the indictment and trial of Sean Combs and why it was that he completely got away with years of domestic abuse and coercion. "Diddy" turned his business into a sex-trafficking criminal enterprise (allegedly) and there will be no justice for his victims because of how our laws and justice system operate. You'll understand why after...

Speaking of Cults...Your 30-Minute Guide to Understanding Cultic Belief (The REM Model) 02.08.2025

Here is your explanation for why people act the way they do, why people join and stay in cults and why people will fight to the death for some of the most irrational and hateful beliefs and ideas. If you've ever run into anyone that you just couldn't understand, this podcast is going to help you finally figure that out. Enjoy!

Speaking of Cults...Abuse in the Community of Jesus ft. Ewan Whyte 26.07.2025

This week I welcome Ewan Whyte, a man who grew up in an incredibly abusive Christian Nationalist group called the Community of Jesus and who was sent to Grenville College - a boarding school under the leadership of this cult. His story has a happier ending than most and he had difficulty talking about some aspects of his experience but I hope this podcast will still be informative of his experienc...

Speaking of Cults...Escaping Fundamentalist Mormonism ft. Pamela Jones 19.07.2025

Imagine being born into slavery in Mexico as a female in a Mormon polygamist cult that treats all women like chattel, not good for anything but doing what they are told and making babies. That's what my guest, Pamela Jones, escaped from after being raised amongst seriously violent religious extremists (who are still operating their cult in Mexico and are richer than ever). As an adult, she got out...

Speaking of Cults...Cult Recovery is a Rocky Road 12.07.2025

This week I am bringing back Jason Horvatic, a former Scientologist who came out publicly about two years ago and had some contentious views and statements to make about me, Scientology and his own views about his experiences. Well, the road to recovery has many pitfalls and dark alleyways that people can go down, but they can also come right back out again. This podcast is a pretty plain English...

Speaking of Cults...Breaking the Spell of Religion with Dr. Moe 05.07.2025

This week I am welcoming back Dr. Maurice Turmel aka "Dr Moe" to discuss religious trauma and his new book on the subject. We go over a number of key principles underlying religious trauma which I think might help anyone who is overcoming an abusive religious background. Hope this one helps! Dr. Turmel's website: https://drmoe2000.bandcamp.com

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