Sophie Gee and Jonty Claypole

Secret Life of Books

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Every book has two stories: the one it tells, and the one it hides. The Secret Life of Books is a fascinating, addictive, often shocking, occasionally hilarious weekly podcast starring Sophie Gee, an English professor at Princeton University, and Jonty Claypole, formerly director of arts at the BBC.  Every week these virtuoso critics and close friends take an iconic book and reveal the hidden story behind the story: who made it, their clandestine motives, the undeclared stakes, the scandalous backstory and above all the secret, mysterious meanings of books we thought we knew. -- To join the Se...

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Sophie Gee and Jonty Claypole

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Jul 7, 2026

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Free love in Paris, male wrestling and murder: Giovanni's Room 18.02.2025

It's Black History Month and Sophie and Jonty are bringing their analytical chops once again to the giant of 20th-century literature, James Baldwin.  In his debut novel, Go Tell It On the Mountain , Baldwin had captured the experience of growing up in 1930s Harlem. In his second novel, Giovanni’s Room , published in 1956, he focused instead on his experiences as a gay man, living in Paris. Bu...

BONUS: SLoB's Secret Crushes and Clandestine Encounters pt 1 14.02.2025

It's Valentine's Day and love is quite literally in the air as the Secret Life of Books beams, via a complex network of satellites and data banks, to your ears. In this Bonus Episode, Sophie and Jonty reflect on what they've learnt about love from the classics, and rank the leading men and ladies of the books covered so far as lovers. St Valentine first appears in English literature in Geoffrey Ch...

Shakespeare does 'Succession': Rory Stewart on King Lear 11.02.2025

“Now, gods, stand up for bastards!”  King Lear is the Mount Everest of Theatre - a sprawling masterpiece of political turmoil, personal betrayal, horrifying gore and great poetry. It makes ‘Succession’ look like The Midsomer Murders. Lear is the pagan king who decides to divides his kingdom between two daughters (and banishing a third), only to find himself outcast, succumbing to madness, adr...

Wizards, Hobbits and WWII: Dominic Sandbrook on The Lord of the Rings 04.02.2025

One ring to rule them all One ring to… Yes, SLoB finally turns its Sauron-like eye on what is thought to be the second best-selling novel of all time (after Dickens’ Tale of Two Cities): Lord of the Rings. And who better to share this experience than Dominic Sandbrook, historian of the 20th Century, co-host of the Rest is History podcast, and Tolkien devotee.  In this Fellowship of Literary A...

Love and Beauty Bonus: Geraldine Brooks picks Gilead as the great modern classic 31.01.2025

The Pulitzer Prize winner, fan-favorite Geraldine Brooks first read  Gilead  on a packed flight and found herself clambering over passengers for a Kleenex. Find out why Robinson’s quiet, meditative, multi-generational story remains a model and touchstone for one of the most admired and loved novelists writing today.  Or, to echo Jonty’s effort to sound like the cool kids: why is&nbs...

Soldier Preachers, late-life love and Soapy the cat in Marilynne Robinson's Gilead 28.01.2025

Gilead, from 2004, by the American writer Marilynne Robinson, is a smash-hit novel about Calvinism, three generations of Congregationalist minister and a cat called Soapy. Unlikely trifecta through this is, Gilead is a gorgeous, life-affirming tale that has the distinction of being one of Barack Obama’s favorite books. The Gilead tetralogy - the four novels that make up Robinson’s Gilead cycle, we...

Jane Austen goes to the dark side: social turmoil and scandalous texting in Sense and Sensibility 21.01.2025

If you think Jane Austen is light and bright and sparkling, think again. In Sense and Sensibility, her first published novel, Jane goes to the dark side. Listeners remembering Emma Thompson and Kate Winslet laughing prettily in pale dresses might be expecting a tale of sisterly affection and romantic walks, while Hugh Grant stammers and charms his way towards inevitable wedlock.  Tune in to hear h...

Cannes, a white mess jacket, and the pure joy of P.G. Wodehouse's "Right Ho, Jeeves" 14.01.2025

Right Ho, Jeeves was the 34th novel by the British writer PG Wodehouse, written when he was - struggling writers take note - 52 years old. But you would never guess this. It is fresh, energetic, joyful, structurally perfect and one of a handful of books that might be considered Wodehouse’s masterpiece.  The story follows the escapades of hopeless toff Bertie Wooster and his mentally superior butle...

The Craft of Writing, the Booker Prize from Australia: Charlotte Wood on My Name is Lucy Barton 07.01.2025

Elizabeth Strout’s My Name Is Lucy Barton is a much-loved and perennially-read novel that has caught the attention of literally millions of readers worldwide. But it’s quiet, low-key book, about family dynamics and difficult feelings, with a modest plot and characters who wouldn’t seem heroic if you met them in real life.  Find out why Charlotte Wood found herself drawn to a novel that refuses to...

Literature's great parties: launch 2025 in style with Lady Macbeth, Count Dracula and the Mad Hatter 31.12.2024

To round out 2024, SLoB is hosting the world’s shortest New Year’s Eve party, in which we rank literary history’s most under-the-radar ragers. Crank up your sonos and get ready for classic fun this New Year.  In under an hour, and with lashings of improvisational revelry, Sophie and Jonty review and rank party scenes from the books they covered in 2024.  Most readers of the great English classics...

Did Dickens Change the Face of Christmas Forever? Scrooge, Tiny Tim and the First Ever Turkey 24.12.2024

From the “man who invented Christmas,” this is the ultimate Christmas fable. Everyone’s heard of Scrooge, and many could quote his “Bah! Humbug!” And maybe even Tiny Tim’s “God Bless us, every one.” But who knows which Christmas season mega-industry Dickens started, with Scrooge’s parting gift to the Cratchit family? And what was going on in Dickens’s life that drove him to the power and melodrama...

The Albatross Curse, Bad Weddings and Lots of Opium: Rime of the Ancient Mariner 17.12.2024

The Rime of the Ancient Mariner - the name of a classic song by Iron Maiden AND a decent-ish poem by Samuel Taylor Coleridge. It’s the latter that’s under the microscope in this episode.  Written in 1798, in a haze of opium smoke and revolutionary fervor, the Rime of the Ancient Mariner is a long ballad poem describing the supernatural curse against a sailor who shoots an albatross. There’s a ghos...

Victorian dresses, teenage passions and fiction’s scariest picnic: Picnic at Hanging Rock 10.12.2024

Sophie and Jonty find themselves a few sandwiches short of a picnic this week when they take on their first Australian classic book, the legendary “Picnic at Hanging Rock.” This 1960s masterpiece achieved global fame with Peter Weir’s hit film in 1975. And it has lost none of its edge with the passage of time. The intrepid hosts of SLoB discover that the joke’s on them – descended as they are from...

Please Sir, may we have some more? Oliver Twist, sex work and criminal underclasses in Victorian London 03.12.2024

Let’s Twist Again! Not the dance, of course, but Charles Dickens’ incendiary second novel, which he began writing at the tender age of 24. With Oliver Twist, Dickens found his voice  - a style simultaneously intimate and epic, funny but terrifying, exaggerated but true to life. Millions fell in love with his characters, shared their misfortunes and triumphs, and had their eyes opened to the plight...

The world's most famous classicist on the world's most famous classic: Mary Beard and The Odyssey 26.11.2024

The Odyssey - where stories began. Probably written down around 7th century BC - give or take a few centuries either way - by somebody or somebodies who may or may not have been called Homer. Leaving aside these mysteries, what is the Odyssey really about, why is it so violent and why is Odysseus himself - the lord of the lies - such an unlikeable hero?  Who better to navigate this intellectual Sc...

Bonus Live Ep: hosts' secrets revealed and the classics stripped bare! 22.11.2024

Co-hosts Sophie and Jonty bare all in a bonus SLoB live ep! After months of rummaging through the dirty laundry of the great writers, it is only fair that we turn a critical eye back upon ourselves - and reveal the secret life of the Secret Life of Books .  In this bonus episode, recorded to mark our official launch before a live audience in Sydney’s iconic Gleebooks, Sophie and Jonty get raw. Aft...

Jane Austen does gothic horror with insta-ready clothes and great interiors: Northanger Abbey 19.11.2024

Henry Tilney: is he yet another of Jane Austen’s Bad Men, or the stealth MVP with his interest in dress fabrics and interior decorating? Northanger Abbey is Austen’s funniest, most unabashedly joyful and silly novel. It’s also where Jane gets meta – with lots of speeches about what novels are and why we love reading them.  Sophie makes the case that Catherine Morland is the most under-rated heroin...

James: National Book Award global hit; a Huck Finn rewrite the world needed; plot twists you'll never guess 12.11.2024

It took 140 years for someone to write back to Mark Twain’s brilliant but troubling masterpiece The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn . Now the celebrated American novelist Percival Everett has done it with James , a daring, provocative, retelling of Huck Finn through the eyes, mind and heart of Huck’s friend Jim, a runaway slave. What are the untold secrets of Mark Twain’s novel, that Everett brings...

Huckleberry Finn: but wait, maybe THIS is the great American novel? 05.11.2024

What makes a trip down the Mississippi river so famous - and so notorious? Why did it need to be rewritten in the 2024 novel James by Percival Everett? Is Huck Finn the most famous character in world literature?  We’ve gone on record saying that The Great Gatsby is #1 Great American Novel - but this week we may have to eat our words. Is it actually The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, the book Mark...

Hamnet: sexy witches replace skulls and soliloquies 29.10.2024

Ever wonder what Shakespeare got up to in the bedroom? Well, whether you do or not, you’ll find out - along with many other things - in this episode devoted to Maggie O’Farrell’s superb novel Hamnet (spoiler alert: it involves a shed, a kestrel and shelves of bouncing apples, rather than an actual bedroom).  Hamnet was published to critical acclaim in 2020. It brings Shakespeare’s wife - Anne Hath...

Hamlet: Shakespeare's secret double or pain in neck? 22.10.2024

Hamlet is jammed with famous quotes like “to be or not to be,” “something is rotten in the state of Denmark,” “time is out of joint,” “the play’s the thing,” “get thee to a nunnery,” and “the rest is silence.” But who really knows what happens in the world’s most famous play? And why is it so damn long? Jonty confides the intense boredom induced by the unabridged 5.5 hour Kenneth Branagh marathon...

Midsummer Nights Dream: are true love and sexual attraction magic tricks? 15.10.2024

“The course of true love never did run smooth.”  It certainly did not in Shakespeare’s psychedelic fantasy about cross-dressing, polyamory, speaking truth to power and tik-tok – centuries before the internet. A Midsummer Night’s Dream is endlessly adapted and readapted. At its heart, it’s a play about the madness and thrill of attraction and love; about how strange it is when one human spots anoth...

Go Tell It On The Mountain: growing up Black, poor and gay in 1930s New York 08.10.2024

Go Tell It On The Mountain is one of the great incendiary debuts of the 20th Century. Published in 1953, James Baldwin’s autobiographical novel follows a fictionalised avatar of his younger self as he navigates his way through an ordinary day in 1930s Harlem. Baldwin showed readers life as he knew it as a black, working-class gay teenager in a racist society.  Baldwin disliked what he called ‘prot...

The Great Gatsby: is this THE great American novel? 01.10.2024

Few novels capture a moment and place in time as The Great Gatsby. F Scott Fitzgerald’s 1925 masterpiece captures a generation determined to live and party hard in the aftermath of the First World War. There are love affairs, exotic cocktails (a ‘gin rickey’ anyone?), no less than three car crashes and, of course, the famous party scenes. It has been adapted at least eight times for film and telev...

To Kill a Mockingbird: racism, gun violence and coming of age in the 1930s South 24.09.2024

Within a year of its publication in 1960, Harper Lee’s To Kill a Mockingbird sold 2.5 million copies and has remained a much-loved classic by adults and children alike. What was it about this book that captured the public imagination at the time - and to this day?  Harper Lee mined her own childhood in Alabama for this coming-of-age story of personal and social justice against a backdrop of Depres...

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