Leaders Media
Secret Leaders
Dan Murray-Serter and Chris Donnelly are two serial entrepreneurs who've built, sold, scaled & failed companies worth hundreds of millions of dollars. In Secret Leaders we get inside the greatest minds and greatest moments in business, because we believe the best way to learn about business is to hear from the people who make it happen. Sponsored by Wise Business and Vanta. Contact: hello@secretleaders.com
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Apr 28, 2026
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SumUp: how to stumble into building an €8b company, with Co-Founder Marc-Alexander Christ 23.08.2022 49:53
How much of your success is down to luck? Marc-Alexander Christ is the Co-Founder of SumUp, which was recently valued at €8b. He says being in the right place at the right time was a big factor in him starting the company. SumUp is a fintech best known for supplying card readers to small businesses so they can take payments. You may have seen them, and have probably used them because they work w...
Octopus Energy: how to run a massive company with no HR function, with Founder and CEO Greg Jackson 16.08.2022 45:56
Greg Jackson started Octopus Energy, a green energy supplier, in 2015. Since then it has enjoyed huge growth. It is now the fourth largest energy retailer in the UK, supplying over 3 million homes in the country, as well as homes in Germany, the USA, Japan, Spain, Italy, France and New Zealand. They were valued at nearly 5 billion dollars at the end of 2021. Greg is clearly passionate about clima...
Little Moons: how to become an overnight success - in 12 years, with Co-Founder Vivien Wong 09.08.2022 46:37
Going viral is something many businesses would kill for but having to scale up your business to meet rocketing demand is not easy. Little Moons makes mochi ice cream, a type of Japanese rice cake with an ice cream filling. Vivien Wong co-founded the business with her brother in 2010 after spending two years developing the product with her father in her parents' bakery. Over the next decade the co...
How I failed: Launching a website no one visited with Founder Chris Donnelly 04.08.2022 13:10
Last year Chris sold a creative marketing agency he’d founded called Verb and he’s now the Co-Founder of Lottie, which just raised £6 million on a £45 million valuation. But before these successes, he experienced failure with his website the Real Uni Guide, which aimed to match students with the right universities for them. Along with his co-founder brother, he spent over a year building the websi...
Sweatcoin: how to turn your worst moments into your best, with Co-Founder Oleg Fomenko 02.08.2022 56:24
What makes you want to exercise? Would you do it more if you were paid to do it? Oleg Fomenko thinks we aren’t naturally disposed to want to exercise, that we have evolved to preserve our store of calories rather than spend them. So, he built Sweatcoin, along with his Co-Founder Anton Derlyatka, an app that will literally pay you for taking steps outside. Specifically it will pay you a certain amo...
How I failed: the gym business which went under, with Shares Co-Founder Benjamin Chemla 28.07.2022 13:30
Benjamin Chemla has been an entrepreneur for over a decade. He co-founded the massive on-demand delivery service Stuart in 2015 and currently he is the Co-Founder and CEO of Shares, a just-launched app which makes investing a social experience. But between his successes, there was a high profile failure. Benjamin founded a group of gyms in New York City called Fithouse in 2017. Everything started...
Fanbytes: from growing up poor to selling for millions at 27, with Co-Founder Timothy Armoo 26.07.2022 54:31
What were you doing at 17? When he was that age, Timothy Armoo had already sold his first startup. Now 27, he has just sold his second startup, Fanbytes, a social media and influencer marketing agency, to digital advertising company, Brainlabs, for eight figures. Timothy, or Timo as he is known, grew up on a council estate in Hackney and it was the realisation that he was poor when he was a teenag...
How I failed: not able to pay suppliers, staff or my mortgage with Founder Matt Jones 21.07.2022 13:23
Finding investment is a necessity for many entrepreneurs, but things don’t always work out the way they're supposed to. Matt Jones started his business Rubix Advertising in 2009, with the help of an investor. It started well and the business, a full service media advertising company, grew quickly. But only two years later, Matt had to close his business down. What happened? And how did he turn th...
The man who predicted the rise of the influencer, with Gleam Futures Founder Dom Smales 19.07.2022 45:10
Dom Smales is the exited Founder of Gleam Futures, which was one of the first social media talent agencies in the world - and the first in the UK. When Gleam was founded back in 2010, influencers weren’t even a thing, but Dom saw the potential power bloggers could have. He went on to play a big part in the rise of the first Youtube stars, like Zoe Sugg, better known as Zoella; Tanya Burr; and the...
How I failed: “I didn’t actually believe in the business, I just wanted to work for myself”, with Founder Amelia Sordell 14.07.2022 13:11
Today, Amelia Sordell runs a booming personal branding agency called Klowt, but back in 2015, aged 21, she had just founded Eitherside, a fashion brand for women who wanted to dress up for a night out - but without the luxury price tag. Only eight months after starting the company, Amelia was faced with taking out a loan she would have to personally guarantee, or shutting it down. She chose the l...
Dan Murray-Serter, Chapter 3: ‘I’d decided life was meaningless’ - my battle with bulimia, anxiety, depression and insomnia 12.07.2022 50:28
You wouldn’t sign up for a terrible experience but they’re a breeding ground for the best stories, and the most personal growth. It’s no different for today’s guest and the usual host of Secret Leaders, Dan Murray-Serter, who opens up about his biggest traumas… which became the biggest turning points in his life. This is the third chapter in our semi-regular series with Dan. If you haven’t listene...
How I failed: “We were so convinced that we were among the few that would make it to IPO”, with multi-exit entrepreneur Touraj Parang 07.07.2022 13:23
Touraj Parang today has multiple exits under his belt, has sat on both sides of the deal table - and has written a book literally called "Exit Path: How to Win the Startup End Game". But the reason he’s become such an authority on exits is what we’re discussing today - his failed startup Jaxtr. Jaxtr was a way to make phone calls over the internet in the period 2005 - 2009, before stuff like Whats...
GoHenry: Creating a new category with other parents after kids racked up bills, with Co-Founder & COO Louise Hill 05.07.2022 45:33
Louise Hill is the Co-Founder and COO of GoHenry, a debit card and financial education app for children which has two million users. The starting point for Louise was noticing her kids buying stuff on iTunes without her permission. She then found out other children were spending money on all sorts of things without them or their parents realising it. So, after chatting with two dads whose kids wen...
How I failed: “I didn’t want to tell them I’ve reached the end of my rope”, with journalist Emma Gunavardhana 30.06.2022 12:52
Emma Gunavardhana, or Emma Guns as she’s often known started her career with a bang. She landed her dream job early doors - editing OK Magazine back when that was a really big deal. But when she left the comfort of that job to make it as a solopreneur, everything went to pot. Wind forward four years and Emma was at her lowest ebb, considering selling her car and moving back in with her parents at...
What3Words: Why an injury can be the best thing to happen to you, with Co-Founder & CEO Chris Sheldrick 28.06.2022 44:38
We normally can’t see it at the time but bad things often play a critical role in good things happening. As Steve Jobs famously said, it’ll make sense looking backwards. This is exactly what happened to Chris Sheldrick who had plans to be a professional bassoonist but a freak injury changed the course of life. Chris is now the Co-Founder and CEO of What3Words, an alarmingly simple solution to a co...
How I failed: short-form video platform that got crushed by TikTok, with Jess Butcher MBE 23.06.2022 13:11
Ok, ok - it’s not all about your name or your competitors - but Jess Butcher was kicking herself when she came across TikTok shortly after launching Tick. Done. with her Co-Founders in 2018. Tick. Done. was also a short form video platform which made things confusing. Jess’s friends regularly congratulated her on her success, only for Jess to admit that TikTok, the thing they were hearing about e...
How I failed: the non-alcoholic drink which got pulled from the shelves, with Richard Clark, Founder of Drynks 16.06.2022 11:58
Richard Clark is now the Founder and MD of Drynks, a non-alcoholic drinks business which raised money on Dragons Den and is growing strongly. But a few years ago he launched another non alcoholic drink, Iron Press, which had a very different outcome. Having enjoyed huge success at Halewood International with Crabbie’s Ginger Beer, Richard and his team found it easy to get into retailers, but it w...
How I failed: 37 jobs by the age of 24, with Krisi Smith, Founder of Bird & Blend 09.06.2022 11:07
We’ve all made mistakes. Many of us have had short-lived jobs. And many of us have been fired. But getting through 37 jobs by the time you’re 24 is quite a haul. That’s what happened to Krisi Smith, the Founder of Bird & Blend, a booming tea company. But before she found her groove, she found she couldn’t hold down a job. This is the story of what happened and what she learnt from it. ... We'd lo...
Beyond: shorting your rival’s stock for $700m but losing the war, with Founder & CEO Ian Strang 07.06.2022 55:42
80% to 90% of startups fail. But what those stats don't tell you is how you can do loads of things right and still fail. This is what happened to Ian Strang and the company he founded, Beyond, who tried to shake up the death industry - offering price comparisons, wills, funerals, probate - those kinds of things. They certainly managed to do that. They landed some blows, but ultimately they lost th...
How I failed: Chris Cabrera on getting fired, getting pissed, and getting even 02.06.2022 12:37
By the time he was 37, Chris Cabrera had managed his career very well. He was a leader in a public company - and he knew what strategy the company should take to seize the future. But then he got fired. This is the story of what happened and what he did next. ... We'd love your feedback: hello@secretleaders.com Check out Yotpo, our exclusive sponsor - if you want to grow your ecommerce business...
How the fat kid did it: Vikas Shah MBE on getting over obesity shame and suicide attempts - and what people get wrong about entrepreneurship 31.05.2022 47:20
Vikas Shah MBE looks like the picture of success today. He’s got an MBE. He advises the government on business matters. He’s an NED, investor - he’s someone you look up to. But it wasn’t always like this. He was a fat kid at school, and when he realised he was obese - was disgusted by himself. He lost his identity when his first business failed. He tried to commit suicide four times. The last on...
How I failed: Alex Farrell on winding down her startup after taking on a new industry 26.05.2022 13:27
Alex Farrell is a successful entrepreneur, NED and investor but amongst the successes, there have also been some losses. Alex founded Gift Wink in 2015, a platform where users could get timely and excellent gift ideas. So when your Mum’s birthday was coming up, you’d actually get her something awesome which arrived on time. That was the idea anyway, but four years later, after pushing against hea...
Tackling a problem that will affect half the planet as a first-time Founder, with Vira Health Co-Founder Andrea Berchowitz 24.05.2022 49:13
Andrea Berchowitz is the Co-Founder of Vira Health, a tech startup taking on problems in women’s health, starting with menopause. Andrea worked at McKinsey and then the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation but this is her first time as a Founder. What’s tougher than she expected? What’s surprised her about the switch? And what would she advise others thinking of making the move? Plus we discuss: How...
How I failed: Giles Harrison quit his job to start his own thing but hit a big reality check 19.05.2022 13:08
Giles Harrison, the Co-Founder of Sculpd, is riding high now but his first startup ground to a painful halt. Having quit his job in a bullish mood to found a matcha tea business, he soon found out how difficult startups are - and how much more difficult physical goods businesses are compared to digital ones. Find out how he failed - what went wrong - and what he learnt from it. ... We'd love you...
The Sandbox: wtf is the metaverse and how will it change the world, with Co-Founder and COO Sebastien Borget 17.05.2022 27:44
So you’ve heard people talking about the metaverse and have been wondering what they’re on about? You think you get it one minute but then someone else says something and you’re none the wiser? Yeah, sounds about right. This is why we’re pumped to be interviewing Sebastien Borger, the Co-Founder and COO of The Sandbox, who are a market leader in the metaverse. The Sandbox is the place where brands...
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