Leadership Lab
Rourou Conversations
In-depth conversations, kōrero, that highlight inequity, amplify marginalised voices for advocacy and provoke system change. This series is a Leadership Lab Rourou initiative. Nāu te rourou, nāku te rourou, ka ora ai te iwi – With your food basket and my food basket the people will be fed. The Rourou project hosts spaces to listen to contemporary voices, to collaborate with others, and to address gnarly issues. Leadership Lab is a collective of passionate and diverse consultants all focused on growing equitable and thriving communities and organisations.
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Dec 9, 2025
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Episodes
Conscious Catalysts Ep 2: Kath and Judith 27.06.2024 51:04
Kath is a mum, a wāhine, a social work educator and a social justice advocate who identifies as Tangata Tiriti. Judith is a social worker having recently finished her studies, as well as a māmā, a wāhine, a friend and an ally to as many as she can. She shares how her lived experience as a care experienced person is at the heart of her advocacy. We talk about leading with love, relationships, emoti...
Conscious Catalysts Ep 1: Shiloh and Tyler 20.06.2024 58:30
Tyler and Shiloh are both Māori and share how their cultural identity shapes how other aspects of their identity intersect and collide. They share similarities in how they feel the weight of inherited cultural responsibility and expectations. We talk about colonisation, misinformation and the difference between systems powered by control and those powered by belonging. We agreed that the personal...
Becoming Tangata Tiriti Ep 6: what does it actually mean? 13.02.2024 58:12
We unpack further what the term Tangata Tiriti means, why it’s important and identify some actions we can take in practicing and becoming Tangata Tiriti. Becoming Tangata Tiriti is a Leadership Lab Rourou intiative , developed in collaboration with PlainsFM , and is a series of kōrero/conversations about Te Tiriti o Waitangi and what it means to be Tangata Tiriti in Aotea...
Becoming Tangata Tiriti Ep 5: from Te Tiriti to now (pt 2) 06.02.2024 57:32
We continue to take a look back to explore some key events to help us understand what has happened since Te Tiriti o Waitangi was signed and the impact as a result of these events bringing us to the present, December 2023. Becoming Tangata Tiriti is a Leadership Lab Rourou intiative , developed in collaboration with PlainsFM , and is a series of kōrero/conversations about...
Becoming Tangata Tiriti Ep 4: from Te Tiriti to now (pt 1) 30.01.2024 57:56
We take a look back to explore some key events to help us understand what has happened since Te Tiriti o Waitangi was signed and the impact as a result of these events. Becoming Tangata Tiriti is a Leadership Lab Rourou intiative , developed in collaboration with PlainsFM , and is a series of kōrero/conversations about Te Tiriti o Waitangi and what it means to be Tangata...
Becoming Tangata Tiriti Ep 3: what Te Tiriti says 23.01.2024 59:05
Gwyn walks us through the signing of Te Tiriti o Waitangi and what it says. Becoming Tangata Tiriti is a Leadership Lab Rourou intiative , developed in collaboration with PlainsFM , and is a series of kōrero/conversations about Te Tiriti o Waitangi and what it means to be Tangata Tiriti in Aotearoa New Zealand. The series is brought to you by Gwyn John and Fi Deehan ,...
Becoming Tangata Tiriti Ep 2: before Te Tiriti 16.01.2024 1:09:41
We take a look back to before Te Tiriti o Waitangi was signed to understand the context and events that led to its development. This includes exploring the history of Māori and other settlers in Aotearoa and relationships that had been developed before 1840. Becoming Tangata Tiriti is a Leadership Lab Rourou intiative , developed in collaboration with PlainsFM , and is a...
Becoming Tangata Tiriti Ep 1: why us, why now? 09.01.2024 56:23
We, Gwyn and Fi, introduce ourselves, our experiences, knowledge and relationship with Te Tiriti o Waitangi as well as bust and challenge some assumptions and myths that exist around this. Becoming Tangata Tiriti is a Leadership Lab Rourou intiative , developed in collaboration with PlainsFM , and is a series of kōrero/conversations about Te Tiriti o Waitangi and what it means to...
Becoming Tangata Tiriti - PlainsFM trailer 17.12.2023 0:45
Becoming Tangata Tiriti will broadcast on PlainsFM on Tuesday at 5pm on the following dates in 2024: 9th/16th/23rd/30th January 6th February (Waitangi Day) 13th February Each show will be available as a podcast immediately after the PlainsFM broadcast. Becoming Tangata Tiriti is a Leadership Lab Rourou intiative , developed in collaboration with PlainsFM , and is a...
Digital Divide Ep 6: Elle, Neysa and Clark for Learning Days 2023 17.12.2023 1:12:35
As part of Ako Ōtautahi Learning City Christchurch Learning Days in May 2023, a panel including Neysa, Clark and Elle from earlier episodes came together to kōrero about their experiences and the impacts they see of the Digital Divide. They also share some great practical things that all of us to take to close the divide and live in a more digitally inclusive and safe world. Digital Divide is a ...
Digital Divide Ep 5: Peter Nock 17.12.2023 44:29
Peter's family was lucky enough to get one of the first home computers back in the 1980’s which meant he had the opportunity to grow and develop alongside these digital tools as they increasingly became integrated into our lives. He has worked at Ara for just over 20 years in the digital/ICT education field mostly with entry level foundation learners. Peter is naturally curious and enjoys rese...
Digital Divide Ep 4: Josh Hough 17.12.2023 54:17
In this accent-filled episode, Josh Hough – educator, learner, designer, futurist, leader and self-described geek – shares some of his story and his thoughts around digital equity, what we might do to make a difference, and why we all have a part to play. Digital Divide is a Leadership Lab Rourou intiative , developed in collaboration with Ako Ōtautahi Learning City Christchurch and Pla...
Digital Divide Ep 3: Clark Williams 17.12.2023 54:01
Clark is a secondary digital tech/creative art teacher currently running the 4C centre in Ōtautahi. He has a background in teaching NCEA art and digital technology. Clark has a strong interest in re-thinking education and pedagogy with engagement at the centre. Day to day he’s helping young people with CAD/CAM projects and using technology to develop high end creative products. Digital Divide is a...
Digital Divide Ep 2: Neysa Koizumi 17.12.2023 52:36
Neysa has extensive experience in all application and web development aspects. She has served as a lead architect and senior developer in teams of various sizes across New Zealand and the US. She is a mother of two school-aged digital citizens. She has extensively researched digital equity through the lens of digital safety and wellbeing. Neysa is passionate about empowering digital device users t...
Digital Divide Ep 1: Elle Archer 17.12.2023 52:43
Elle’s WHY (passion and ultimate commitment) is to UNIFY *Kotahitanga Rapunga Whakaaro She is a strategist, futurist, innovator, technologist, systems Engineer, speaker who believes in ‘WE not me’ and *Empowering People to Achieve Outcomes for the Betterment of Purpose* Some of Elle’s many hats include Chair of Te Matarau - the Māori Tech Association, a Board Trustee of Ako Ōtautahi Learning City...
People of Puāwai Ep 6: Saf and Alena 16.12.2023 44:21
Today with us we have Saf and Alena. They are two Nepali Bhutanese young women who were born in Nepal and moved to Aotearoa as refugees when they were children. In this episode, Saf and Alena discuss a brief history of how they became refugees, what being a refugee in Aotearoa schooling was like in the 2010s, their relationships with both Nepali and Bhutanese cultures, and the experience of being...
People of Puāwai Ep 5: Gray and Kat 16.12.2023 56:11
We have Gray and Kat on the show today. They are two queer young people who have spent a significant amount of their life under the care of Oranga Tamariki. They discuss the differences in each of their experiences of state care as well as the similarities; how this impacted their schooling, relationships with their whānau and themselves. For more information and links check out: Linktree and ...
People of Puāwai Ep 4: Andre and Abdi 16.12.2023 57:17
Today we have Andre and Abdi on the show. They’re two young people who migrated to Aotearoa during primary school. One from the Philippines and the other from Somalia. They discuss their experiences of migration, how their experiences of school, community and self-identity were impacted, the change they would like to see in the world and what inspires them to be change-makers. For more information...
People of Puāwai Ep 3: Benedict and Ryan 16.12.2023 57:40
Benedict and Ryan talk about their experiences as young Filipino migrants in Aotearoa, the years of whānau separation, transferring from schooling in the Philippines to Aotearoa, reflections on Filipino culture, and what it is like to be queer amongst all of that. For more information and links check out: Linktree and Instagram People of Puāwai is where Cooper and the amazing rangatahi from t...
People of Puāwai Ep 2: Kai and Carrot 16.12.2023 50:40
Kai and Carrot talk about how they have experienced the world. Both are of Polynesian descent, which often finds people of ethnic groups boxed together, Kai and Carrot’s stories show us how much variability there is in an individual’s identity, that there are complex and different ways in which people navigate the world and most importantly, that we do people an injustice if we don’t get to know a...
People of Puāwai Ep 1: Jupiter and Millie 16.12.2023 56:46
Jupiter and Millie discuss their experiences as young queer people from different cultural backgrounds, how these cultures interacted with their broader identities and how they influenced their interactions with their peers as well as relationships with their whānau. For more information and links check out: Linktree and Instagram People of Puāwai is where Cooper and the amazing rangatahi from the...
Gender Health Justice Ep 6: Kōrero with Niamh, Tanya and Cooper 16.12.2023 1:54:13
Listen to the kōrero (conversation) from an in-person event with panel discussion and Q and A with Cooper (episode 2), Niamh (episode 5) and Tanya Cooke, Chief Executive of Endometriosis NZ. Gender Health Justice is a Leadership Lab Rourou intiative , developed in collaboration with PlainsFM and it's objective is to amplify marginalised voices for advocacy and to provoke system change wher...
Gender Health Justice Ep 5: Niamh Clerkin 16.12.2023 54:12
Niamh is a human being. Niamh is also a mother, a Pelvic Health Physiotherapist and identifies as a cis-gender woman (she/her). She has an extensive background in sports medicine and musculoskeletal physiotherapy and is passionate about using movement and exercise as a fundamental tool in managing female health challenges across the life span, promoting wellbeing and normalising pelvic and sexual...
Gender Health Justice Ep 4: George Parker 16.12.2023 56:24
George is Pūkenga Ratoa Hauora | Lecturer in Health Service Delivery in the School of Health, at Te Herenga Waka | Victoria University, a parent and a proud member of the rainbow community. They identify as a Pākehā queer, non-binary person, use they/them pronouns and have worked as a midwife and policy advisor. They are currently part of a team researching the need for trans, non-binary and Takat...
Gender Health Justice Ep 3: Fran Kewene (Waikato, Ngāti Maniapoto) 16.12.2023 52:52
Fran Kewene (Waikato, Ngāti Maniapoto) is a lecturer at Te Herenga Waka Victoria University Wellington. They identify as a cis-gender Māori wahine (woman), mana wahine (ia, them they). Fran’s work is located within her identity as a colonised – Māori/British – wahine, exploring 'ko wai au - self', anti-racist praxis, Indigenisation, and Te Tiriti o Waitangi in action. (more information abo...
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