Andrew Gill and Leah Payne

Rock That Doesn't Roll: The Story of Christian Music

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Rock That Doesn’t Roll looks at how Christian music shaped the world we're living in now by telling individual stories from the peak era of the contemporary Christian music industry. In the 80s, 90s and early 2000s CCM grew into a billion dollar business that affected millions of evangelical young people. Through interviews with artists, industry players and average fans Dr. Leah Payne and Andrew Gill trace the long-lasting personal, cultural and political impact of sometimes cringe-worthy music. Expect hilarious moments and heartfelt yearning, purity culture and conservative politics- all in...

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Andrew Gill and Leah Payne

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Latest episode

Jul 8, 2026

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Episodes

The DC Talk Test (ft. Jason Kirk and Kevin T. Porter) 19.06.2024

What happened to the kids raised during the peak era of Christian rock? For insight into the state of Christian rock's late 1990s-early aughts evangelicalism you need not look any further than members of DC Talk, the pinnacle of youth group music. Their trajectory as artists and public figures roughly maps on to the trajectories of the millions of teens raised in American evangelicalism. In this e...

Purity Bros (ft. Joshua Harris) 05.06.2024

Purity culture wasn’t just for youth group “purity girls.” “Purity bros” were also a part of the project! No one knows that more than Joshua Harris , a CCM fan who helped turn purity culture into an extreme sport. Together with his friend, Christian music superstar Rebecca St. James , they created media that inspired a generation of evangelicals to say no to sex outside of marriage, but also to th...

Purity Girls (ft. Nikki Leonti) 22.05.2024

In 2001, teen singing sensation Nikki Leonti was on her way to a promising Christian music career. She had two hit CCM records, and - as a pop princess who swore to refrain from premarital sex - the support of big evangelical media organizations like James Dobson’s Focus on the Family. But then, at age 18, the “purity girl” Leonti announced she was pregnant, and lost it all. With insight from auth...

Holy Hip Hop (ft. Soup The Chemist) 08.05.2024

In the 1990s, music critics argue that hip hop was in its golden age. Mainstream Top 40 charts were filled with hits from The Notorious B.I.G, Tupac Shakur, and Dr. Dre. But the Contemporary Christian charts lagged far, far behind. What took so long for holy hip hop to take off? With insight from Dr. Jonathan Calvillo (author of In the Time of Sky-Rhyming: How Hip Hop Resonated in Brown Los Angele...

Undo Me (ft. Jennifer Knapp) 24.04.2024

In 1999, ​singer-songwriter Jennifer Knapp was at the top of the Christian music world. Her debut album Kansas  was gold-certified, she'd won four Gospel Music Association Dove Awards, and she was on tour with some of the top bands in the business. It seemed like Knapp was destined to be the ultimate ​rockstar poster child for evangelical teens - especially young women. But ​that frame was ​an unc...

Season Two Trailer 17.04.2024

In the second season of Rock That Doesn't Roll, hosts Dr. Leah Payne and Andrew Gill look at how Christian music shaped the world we're living in now. Topics covered in season two include hip hop, feminism, purity culture, hair metal and more. Episodes publish every other week starting on April 24. Do you have a Christian rock story to tell? Leave us a message at (629) 777-6336. If you want more s...

How Amy Grant Got To The Tiny Desk (ft. Lars Gotrich) 06.03.2024

In this bonus episode, Andrew and Leah talk with Lars Gotrich of NPR Music, the producer who brought Amy Grant to play a Tiny Desk Concert. Lars shares how he went from "judgy Christian punk rocker" to someone good at existing in two worlds at once. To hear the full interview, join our Patreon at https://www.patreon.com/rtdr Find Lars’ playlists and tea newsletter at vikingschoice.org

Introducing: Kristin Du Mez and David French on No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp 22.02.2024

What happens when one of the country’s most outspoken critics of white male Christian political conservatism sits down with a well-known white male conservative Christian political pundit? Find out, as Kristin Du Mez and David French discuss politics, culture, and the desperate need for hospitality in the digital age on No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp .

Fugazi to Frodus to Rock That Doesn't Roll: Composer Jim Cooper 17.01.2024

In this bonus episode Leah and Andrew interview Jim Cooper, the composer who wrote and recorded the original score for Rock That Doesn't Roll. He talks about growing up in the DC area, getting obsessed with Fugazi and Dischord Records, then throwing away all his secular music. The full hour-long interview is at our Patreon. The conversation goes on to talk about abandoning a theology major at Whea...

It's Christmastime! CCM Christmas Music Awards from Rock That Doesn't Roll 21.12.2023

‘Tis the season for holiday specials and Andrew Gill (producer, Sound Opinions ) and Leah Payne (author, God Gave Rock and Roll to You ) of Rock that Doesn’t Roll are bringing you a surprise holiday gift: weirdly specific awards for Contemporary Christian Music Christmas tunes! So come on, ring those bells , grab your Christmas shoes , and get ready to Yo-Ho-Ho yourself into some holiday cheer - i...

"Be The Billy of Your Actual Hills" (ft. Pedro The Lion) 13.12.2023

For 1990s and early aughts youth group alumni, Christian rock is often the source of embarrassment or shame - but does it have to be that way? The season finale of  Rock That Doesn't Roll  explores the idea that maybe, just maybe, the key to getting over angst about Christian rock isn't rejecting it or avoiding it, but coming to peace with the person you were when you fell in love with it. With in...

Not A Christian Band (ft. Switchfoot's Jon Foreman and David Dark) 29.11.2023

The late 90s and early aughts were a banner time for a really specific type of rock band - the are-they-or-aren't-they a Christian band, band. Sixpence None the Richer. Creed. Evanescence. Lifehouse. Owl City. Paramore. They all had different sounds, but they left listeners wondering: are they - or aren't they - “Christian music?” This week on Rock that Doesn't Roll : does an artist who identifies...

Bookstore Guys (ft. John J Thompson and Andrew Mall) 15.11.2023

Who could a 1990s Christian rock aficionado turn to in order to find the latest and greatest releases? For mainstream music fans, tastemakers included record store clerks of 1990s indie music stores, or retail juggernauts like Tower Records and Wherehouse - the kind of superfans depicted by Jack Black in High Fidelity. But for many evangelical teens of the 1990s, record stores were not the place t...

Christian Rockstar Dreams (ft. Kevin James Thornton and Sunia Won Gibbs) 01.11.2023

For every 1990s Christian rock star who made it big, there were thousands of never-realized, would-be Christian rock dreams. With special insight from Christian music industry veteran promoter Chris Hauser, hosts Andrew Gill (producer, Sound Opinions ) and Leah Payne (author, God Gave Rock and Roll to You ) follow the CCM aspirations of comedian Kevin James Thornton and artist/faith leader Sunia W...

Punk Rock Prophets (ft. D.L. Mayfield, Brad Onishi and Tim Whitaker) 18.10.2023

For 1990s evangelical teens, punk, hardcore, and ska were a gateway to a passionate, edgy way to express their Christianity outside the mainstream. But was the music and the message enough to keep the evangelical faith? In episode two, hosts Andrew Gill (producer, Sound Opinions ) and Leah Payne (author, God Gave Rock and Roll to You ) follow three Christian punk rock stories from Dr. Bradley Onis...

Youth Group Kids (ft. Steve Hernandez, Tyler Huckabee and Mark Oestreicher) 04.10.2023

Christian rock has a lot of naysayers, but for evangelical teens of the 1990s, it was EVERYTHING. For most kids raised in conservative Christian households, mainstream music was forbidden - if teens were going to rock, they needed to do it God’s way. And the place to find Christian rock gods? Youth group. In the first episode of Rock that Doesn’t Roll, hosts Andrew Gill (producer, Sound Opinions )...

Trailer 24.08.2023

Join hosts Leah Payne and Andrew Gill as they explore the world of Christian rock in it’s peak era of the 80’s, 90’s and early 2000’s.

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